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« Reply #4200 on: 22:14:29, 21-04-2008 » |
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I know no Elgar really.
I think of him as a portly old gent, in a grey cardigan, bicycling his transport around the misty cloisters, a pound of Jersey Royals and a bit of smoked haddock nestling in the basket ready for the ministratrions of his housekeeper. I think of him striding up to Camp Briton, whistling merrily as he goes, probably puffing on a pipe, with plus-fours and bramble proof gaiters.
So, what should I listen to from him then?
His Second Symphony: no portly old English gent on a bicycle here, but a composer in the central European tradition at the peak of his powers producing a work that is big (in every sense), powerful, emotional, edgy, raw and utterly individual.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #4201 on: 22:17:11, 21-04-2008 » |
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Just read this on the home page: Latest Post: "Re: Anyone know this pie..." Another cookery thread?!
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Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
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« Reply #4202 on: 22:26:14, 21-04-2008 » |
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NOM etc. Anyway, Elgar. I guess I'm with PW about the 2nd symph, but that and the Enigmas are as far as I go with the guy. It's another disconnect for me. Can't abide the routine trundlings of the 'cello concerto, the chamber music seems unbearably twee, and PLEASE don't mention the oratorios. Perhaps he's of his age, and I don't get that, but a little goes an extremely long way for me.
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« Reply #4203 on: 22:41:30, 21-04-2008 » |
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and PLEASE don't mention the oratorios. IMO with the possible exception of parts of the second half of Gerontius, which as music in the right hands can be magnificent, but (i) you have to get past Cardinal Newman's dreadful text (even if you can handle the theology, which I must say causes me some difficulties) and (ii) you have to sit through the first half. Can't manage the other oratorios at all. I'd also recommend the Violin Concerto - another big work whose range is much greater IMO than the Cello Concerto.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #4204 on: 22:59:27, 21-04-2008 » |
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Just read this on the home page: Latest Post: "Re: Anyone know this pie..." Another cookery thread?! Well as far as I know the waltz 'The Door Of My Dreams' was not recorded on the Pye label
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« Reply #4205 on: 23:05:21, 21-04-2008 » |
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Give Elgar's string quartet a go - Antheil the Termite Lover -well worth a listen.
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« Reply #4206 on: 23:23:42, 21-04-2008 » |
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I have exactly the same problem with most of the choral music, but can live happily with both symphonies, Enigma, Cockaigne and In the South, Falstaff and (occasionally) the cello concerto. In a sentimental mood the Nursery Suite and the two Wand of Youth Suites still appeal, too. If pushed, though, I'd say that the Introduction and Allegro for Strings is his work I most admire: real virtuoso stuff, sensitive and brooding then strong and muscular by turns, devoid of any of the Victorian sanctimony that represents what for me is his less palatable side. (But then, though you'd never have guessed, I'm more a Vaughan Williams kind of guy....)
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George Garnett
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« Reply #4207 on: 08:27:23, 22-04-2008 » |
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This really belongs on the Happy Room thread, since grandbaby number three arrived at 6.15pm local time, but ...
Then it shall be taken to the Happy Room where it belongs (with sincere sympathies for the 'but ... ' bit). A very warm welcome to grandbaby number three.
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« Reply #4208 on: 08:35:23, 22-04-2008 » |
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I love Elgar, but I can find the cello concerto, in the south, and his more "pompous" works a but too much.
Recommendations from me include the violin concerto, string quartet, piano quintetl sospiri, romance for bassoon, and carissima.
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« Reply #4209 on: 10:34:24, 22-04-2008 » |
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I like a few works by Elgar - Cockaigne, Sospiri, the Violin Sonata and (in limited quantities) the Pomp and Circumstance. The Nursery suite (played by SMP yesterday, I think) is also very good.
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Best regards, Jonathan ********************************************* "as the housefly of destiny collides with the windscreen of fate..."
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« Reply #4210 on: 13:43:13, 22-04-2008 » |
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I second the Piano Quintet. And Dream Children.
I'm happy because the LSO Mahler 2 last night was so shiver-producing. Apart from the alto soloist, whose words were appalling. Much of the Urlicht sounded as though it was being sung by a sheep too. Also, I managed to walk from Downing Street to the Barbican in half an hour!
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« Reply #4211 on: 13:53:04, 22-04-2008 » |
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Also, I managed to walk from Downing Street to the Barbican in half an hour!
Eru, why couldn't you have taken a limo, like your neighbours?
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« Reply #4212 on: 13:54:43, 22-04-2008 » |
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Moi aussi, eruanto.
The Mahler 2 that is, not the walk from Downing Street to the Barbican although that used to be a fairly regular after work hike. Did you stay north of the river? I managed to persuade myself that, counter-intuitively, it was very slightly shorter, point to point, if you cross over to the south bank and back again but I suspect I may have walked a bit faster whenever I did it that way because I wanted it to be true. I suppose I really ought to measure it on a map. A task for this evening perhaps.
Another rather pleasing counter-intuitive thing is: if you are in Whitehall, and ask yourself what you would be likely to see when you look down Whitehall Place, you would be very unlikely to say St Paul's Cathedral. And yet you do. It surprised me every time.
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« Reply #4213 on: 14:02:42, 22-04-2008 » |
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Eru, why couldn't you have taken a limo, like your neighbours? hehehe! The traffic on Whitehall was bad enough! EDITDid you stay north of the river? I managed to persuade myself that, counter-intuitively, it was very slightly shorter, point to point, if you cross over to the south bank and back again Colder though! I would have got lost, so I just stayed on the big roads until the Museum of London, where the highwalks and the yellow line come into play. if you are in Whitehall, and ask yourself what you would be likely to see when you look down Whitehall Place, you would be very unlikely to say St Paul's Cathedral. And yet you do. It surprised me every time.
Can't say I've ever done that, nor even taken account of the fact that Whitehall Place exists
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« Reply #4214 on: 14:12:20, 22-04-2008 » |
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Apart from the alto soloist, whose words were appalling. Much of the Urlicht sounded as though it was being sung by a sheep too. Exactly. Sounded as though it was being sung by a sheep. That's the phrase I have been searching for, having been to the former performance of that concert. Course I was front row centre, and couldn't see the alto, only hear her. I could see the soprano - in the same manner that I can see the London Eye from my living room if I lean out of the window and crane my neck
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen, Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen, Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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