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« Reply #6285 on: 10:49:03, 31-10-2008 » |
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OK, I have to put in a word in defense of trick-or-treating. You Brits do it wrong.
There's a lot of (often fully justified) hand-wringing and worry over the "Americanisation" of British culture. What you don't realise, though, is that sometimes what you think of as an American thing is actually a corruption of it. I adore Halloween, and every time I hear someone whingeing about how the creeping of Halloween over here is a dreadful Americanisation, I have to point out that actually you are the ones who are corrupting my tradition.
No one should quake in fear at the approach of Halloween. Trick-or-treating is all about small kids looking adorable in their costumes, going out with their equally adorable friends under the supervision of responsible adults in their own (often quite fetching) costumes, ringing only the doorbells of people who have their porch lights on or who have a jack-o-lantern on display, and getting candy (maybe a dreaded apple or two) from their neighbours. You're not supposed to give out money! I never received money, and it's not the point.
The point is more about community - knowing that this one time of the year it's OK to ring on a stranger's doorbell (but only if they have a light on signalling it's OK to do so) and be sure of getting a friendly reception - accepting the local children as part of the community. Even in New York City, one of the most stranger-paranoid societies I've ever seen, people who would never dream of introducing themselves to the (possibly psychotic) neighbours ring on doorbells, and people who never open their door to anyone (not to mention someone dressed as a zombie or whatever) open their doors on Halloween.
The "trick" aspect of trick-or-treat happens very rarely, and is pretty gentle. The most my pack of friends ever did was ring a doorbell and run. One year a couple of trees got festooned with toilet paper - a nuisance no doubt, but hardly threatening - and the kids who did it were found out and got into trouble. A couple of times some shaving foam got sprayed on cars - hardly stuff that's going to make people quake in fear for their personal safety.
Teenagers usually don't participate in the trick-or-treating - it's seen as much too babyish a thing to do once you reach a certain age (by giving out money rather than just candy you undermine that natural cut-off). They usually have Halloween parties - which, like any teenager's party, can get rowdy or not depending on the number of people there and the presence (or not) of adults.
So please don't go on about what a horrible American thing trick-or-treating is. You're the ones who are getting it wrong. Get it right and you might actually enjoy it.
Either that or drop Halloween altogether and go set fire to things on 5 November.
*********** edit: sorry this reads more like a grumpy rant than something for the happy room
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« Reply #6286 on: 10:59:59, 31-10-2008 » |
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That definetly is our tradition.
You may have noticed Strini, that we Brits love a moan!!
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« Reply #6287 on: 11:05:48, 31-10-2008 » |
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Here on Hallowe'en it has always been small children, sometimes with parents - I've never (touch wood) had teenagers. Once I asked a small girl what would happen if I didn't give them anything. She looked most abashed and said quickly, "Nothing, absolutely nothing".
No-one took any notice at all of Hallowe'en when I was a kid - we barely knew when it was. November 5th was the big thing.
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« Reply #6288 on: 11:08:09, 31-10-2008 » |
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You may have noticed Strini, that we Brits love a moan!!
Hmmm, really?? I wonder if a new holiday based around moaning could be created. There's not much going on between Easter and Halloween/Bonfire Night, maybe there could be something in late July. The last Wednesday of the month could be Whingeing Wednesday or something? It's smack in the middle of the week so there's no chance it could lead to something nice like a long weekend. It's got an annoyingly stupid alliteration that makes it irritatingly catchy. I'm sure we could come up with things to make it dreadfully commercial as well. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #6289 on: 11:12:55, 31-10-2008 » |
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You may have noticed Strini, that we Brits love a moan!!
Hmmm, really?? I wonder if a new holiday based around moaning could be created. There's not much going on between Easter and Halloween/Bonfire Night, maybe there could be something in late July. The last Wednesday of the month could be Whingeing Wednesday or something? It's smack in the middle of the week so there's no chance it could lead to something nice like a long weekend. It's got an annoyingly stupid alliteration that makes it irritatingly catchy. I'm sure we could come up with things to make it dreadfully commercial as well. Any suggestions? Strina, we already have a holiday based around moaning, it's called Christmas. [Edit: oh and easter. And Halloween. And bonfire night. Oh and bank holidays. And weekends, especially Sunday evenings... and monday mornings.... ]
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« Reply #6290 on: 11:14:35, 31-10-2008 » |
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Strina, sounds like another example of something the Brits have 'imported' from the States and just not got quite right. Like help with packing your bag at the supermarket. Oh boy, did we get that one wrong! The 'packers' don't have a clue how to pack a bag. Eggs and glass containers at the bottom? Yup, every time Oh cripes, I'm moaning and I was only trying to say that Strina has a point here Anyone seen my coat?
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« Reply #6291 on: 11:16:00, 31-10-2008 » |
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Anyone seen my coat?
Anyone seen mine? It's new. <swing>
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"Two wrongs don't make a right. But three rights do make a left." - Rohan Candappa
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« Reply #6292 on: 11:20:06, 31-10-2008 » |
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We're back!!! That was record time. He went straight in. Never been known in the history of the building! Off again to drop him off at work and the kids to the play place. BBM - no coat for me I'm afraid. Just visiting various food outlets and the cobblers. There's a little shop in Lytham that sells home-made parkin. Two slices - albeit thick ones - £17.00!!!!! I shall not be buying!
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« Reply #6293 on: 11:27:04, 31-10-2008 » |
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When I was young we didn't need some packaged American import trick-or-treat Halloween to organise a protection racket.
We used our initiative & a good supply of bricks and crowbars.
Kids nowadays, eh? Don't know they're born.
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« Reply #6294 on: 11:28:33, 31-10-2008 » |
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Strina, sounds like another example of something the Brits have 'imported' from the States and just not got quite right. Like help with packing your bag at the supermarket. Oh boy, did we get that one wrong! The 'packers' don't have a clue how to pack a bag. Eggs and glass containers at the bottom? Yup, every time I actually did that job for a summer! It was great for a grumpy/shy teenager - the most contact I had with people was to ask "paper or plastic?" We had half a day's training to learn how to do it well - I'd bet anything they don't bother with that here. I did have a tendency to fill bags on the heavy side though, until I saw a few people struggling with what my 17-year-old self thought would be no problem to lift...
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« Reply #6295 on: 11:41:10, 31-10-2008 » |
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The last Wednesday of the month could be Whingeing Wednesday or something? It's smack in the middle of the week so there's no chance it could lead to something nice like a long weekend. Exactly, and we could moan about that as well. I mean Moaning Monday is all very well but this way we could whinge all Wednesday about how it breaks up the week so you can't get anything done or go shopping but it's not long enough that you could actually get something out of it. Sounds perfect.
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« Reply #6296 on: 11:55:54, 31-10-2008 » |
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Look, let's not pussyfoot around here. We should have a Whinge Week once a month with perhaps designated days for the degree of whinge e.g. Ticked off Tuesday (fairly minor), Sulky Saturday (moderate to boarderline major) with maybe Sunday as an Absolutely-Hacked-Off-about-Everything-and-Everyone day. Strina gets copyright on Whingeing Wednesday though!
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« Reply #6297 on: 12:08:05, 31-10-2008 » |
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Hm. I see that still leaves F..., er, F..., er, F...
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« Reply #6298 on: 12:24:33, 31-10-2008 » |
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I was attempting to leave that to the wilder shores of your imagination draw a discrete veil over that one, Martle
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« Reply #6299 on: 12:27:00, 31-10-2008 » |
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I think Father Jack would have an epithet for Friday. Peace and quiet here at last. Everybody's gone and I can do some jobs without constant interruptions. Bliss! Teenager has been signed off for good. Excellent news. Now we can move on. They were benign reactive lymph nodes from previous, probably untreated , infections. He's a very happy young man this morning.
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