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« Reply #6000 on: 12:38:40, 28-05-2008 » |
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I never smacked ours although my husband did - very rarely, but effectively. My father never hit me but when our boys were born he said it didn't harm a child to have the odd slap - in fact he said "Especially a boy." That's very different to corporal punishment in school. I never attended a school that used corporal punishment but knew of several. Beating children with sticks is barbaric to say the least.
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« Reply #6001 on: 12:56:06, 28-05-2008 » |
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The difference in attitudes to boys and girls is one of the odder things about this. The school I went to from the ages of 8 -18 didn't, as far as I know, ever employ corporal punishment, but at my brother's it was part of life, and there was a lot sanctioned sadism - senior boys were even allowed to beat junior boys. It was considered quite normal. This was in the 1940s and 1950s.
At the dame school I went to up to age of 6 or 7, I was once hit on the hand with a ruler because I didn't know my 7 times table (I'm sure I've mentioned all this before). I can remember quite clearly how much this made me despise the teacher who did it, and it certainly didn't make me keen to learn my tables - very much the reverse!
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« Reply #6002 on: 13:05:05, 28-05-2008 » |
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What bizarre behaviour! He must have had mental health problems.
I wouldn't think so: he was there with a pile of his friends: probably just having a laugh  One of my housemates is a teacher at the national school that serves that estate. It's a really impoverished area, and he has his work cut out for him. I don't think any amount of physical (or mental/emotional) violence is likely to help those kids: many of them get enough of it at home. (and it was a 24 hour supermarket I was going to: it was about eleven at the time, and these kids were still out in the dark). |
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« Reply #6003 on: 13:06:28, 28-05-2008 » |
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Probably couldn't have done anything else anyway. Nothing tremendously painful, but my pride is rather hurt.
O poor old you, I am sorry. And yes, in my experience it is the humiliation that is worst. When I was hit in a street near Oxford Street at lunchtime, when I got home I realised there was mess in my pants in reaction, although I hadn't realised it at the time. We're all rooting for you. Hold your head up high. |
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« Reply #6004 on: 13:49:16, 28-05-2008 » |
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I admit I did, once or twice, smack my own children (lightly) in desperation. I'm deeply ashamed of it, and I'm fairly sure I wouldn't do it now, however much they were driving me mad.
I still think that it's completely extraordinary that an infant teacher should be able to bite a child (however provoked) and get away with it. The child is an unformed, immature being with heaven knows what background. The teacher might have had a violent background too, but she should have been able to control herself in the school environment.
remember an infant teacher who had a rather naughty child in her class who one day bit her very hard on the arm ( enough to see teeth marks) .. she was only asking him to stand in line... her automatic response was to bite him back. She was horrified when she realised what she had done but the boy was a lot better behaved after that. !! I don't really think this was a big issue. If a child , a naughty child physically abuses a teacher,( the same rules never apply by the way, not allowed to touch child but child allowed to do what it likes to teacher) and a completely automatic reaction took place... what's the problem? It was not a premeditated slipper affair or even a slap, it was a human being reacting to a very hard bite. I would add her bite was nothing in comparison, no mark , no nothing. Not all children are sweet little things you know !! A |
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« Reply #6005 on: 14:10:37, 28-05-2008 » |
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Changing the subject back to my earlier grump. The day has carried on as it started out. It's still pouring down. The one chap that turned up and then went off for physio came back eventually, only to find that the dumper he'd hired won't fit down the side of the house. There are now 4 men in the back garden shovelling up earth and sandinto wheelbarrows - with their hands!! They're not even using spades! Then they're barrowing it to the front where the skip is - and it's a faulty skip. The bar that goes across to let the flap down for easy dumping into it is bent so they're having to lift each barrowful up high to the top and then tip it in. I'm just a little nervous because they did give me a price for the job on the basis that it would take 2 1/2 days with the proper equipment and of course it's going to be much more of a job than they thought. I'm not prepared to pay any more than the quote but I'm a bit wary of saying anything at the moment in case they walk out leaving me with the back garden all churned up.  Oh dear.  |
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« Reply #6006 on: 14:50:51, 28-05-2008 » |
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« Reply #6007 on: 14:58:54, 28-05-2008 » |
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Not all children are sweet little things you know !!
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« Reply #6008 on: 15:59:41, 28-05-2008 » |
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Yes, let's do that Mary. I would just say as an aside that I have two children that I never hit and they are now gorgeous grownups but I do feel that the school situation has to be slightly different... but I will shut up now !!  A |
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« Reply #6009 on: 16:23:47, 28-05-2008 » |
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Have just apparently been relieved of my (or to be more precise my employer's) Blackberry by a pickpocket on the Brussels metro. One minute it's in my jqcket pocket, next minute, gone. I'm stuck without it and the explaining and form filling when I get back to the office tomorrow will be endless. Grump, grump  |
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« Reply #6010 on: 16:26:10, 28-05-2008 » |
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Oh pw , that is awful. What an inconvenience apart from anything else..
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« Reply #6011 on: 16:38:19, 28-05-2008 » |
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The only saving grace is that I often have the ipod in the same pocket, but not today thankfully. If that had gone as well ...
I'm obviously not careful enough.
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« Reply #6012 on: 16:53:15, 28-05-2008 » |
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Much sympathy increpatio, that's a horrible thing to happen. That's the sort of behaviour - and worse - that occurs on the estate where I teach. We do our best in school to promote tolerance and empathy for other people, with the younger children through discussion and role play etc, but with some children, it's an uphill struggle.
By the way I can truthfully say I have never felt the urge to hit a child in school. Whereas, when my own were younger, I did smack occasionally when I was at the end of my tether, and felt very guilty about it afterwards.
Good luck to Milly, hope the job gets done eventually.
And sympathy to pw too - how infuriating.
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« Reply #6013 on: 17:14:55, 28-05-2008 » |
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Incs and PW have not had the best of days. Incs, whichever way you look at it e.g. happy slapping (now there's an oxymoron) you were assaulted and it's a physical and emotional shock. I'm glad it's only your pride that was wounded, m'dear. PW, oh what a bugler! even if it's a temporary inconvenience. I think I'd probably be hitting my head against the wall in frustration. Although a better solution would probably be to have several glasses of very nice wine with a damn fine meal. You deserve it! |
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« Reply #6014 on: 17:28:28, 28-05-2008 » |
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increpatio and PW
It such such an awful shock to go through these things. The only thing is to try to distract yourself and forget it as soon as possible.
It is easier said than done. So many people here were burglarized. I know that it is a matter of time when this will happen to us.
Every time it happens it is such a shock!!! Tomorrow this will not matter.
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