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« Reply #225 on: 08:14:56, 03-08-2007 »

Thanks people for the tips! I'd forgotten about the belt, although I'd remembered to put my steel toecapped shoes in the suitcase...
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« Reply #226 on: 09:41:54, 03-08-2007 »

rm, I've taken a couple of flights of that duration (Hong Kong and Tokyo), and although you're probably gone now I'll just add my intense sympathy to all the good advice above. I utterly loathe flying. I only do it because some cumudgeonly bit of my soul won't let this fear dictate my life. I've tried everything to beat it (including drugs smuggled to me by a dentist friend who said 'take a couple of these and you'll be happily drooling like a baby' - I wasn't, and it was horrid). I CANNOT sleep, however long the flight, I can't even concentrate enough to read or listen to music. Impossible.
So, sympathy! (Have fun when you get to wherever it is you're going, though!)  Sad Grin
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« Reply #227 on: 18:33:43, 03-08-2007 »

Sorry, the teleporter / transporter is on my list on inventions (below the time machine and tha anti-gravity machine) so you'll all have to wait!  Wink
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« Reply #228 on: 13:39:48, 04-08-2007 »

Now in Hong Kong after a relatively painless flight (purgatory rather than hell), the usual neurosis about deep vein thrombosis apart, just trying to imagine local time (2040) rather than BST...

So, thanks again for the tips! Will reread them before my return journey!
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« Reply #229 on: 13:53:41, 04-08-2007 »

Glad you arrived safely, rm. Enjoy the food!

Ron
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« Reply #230 on: 14:23:39, 05-08-2007 »

Eek.  I'm close to meltdown at the moment.  Think that at this point about 60% likely that I will not survive the next month of my postgrad studies.  And so I'm faced with the rather terrifying prospect of entering the nonacademic workforce, something I have little desire at all to do.  This will mean the end of all reasonble prospects of further professional study of maths, and as I don't have any other professional ambitions at all really, I'm left with the distinct (though not inevitable) prospect of just writing off the 9-5 hours of the rest of my life as a necessary sacrifice that I will have to justify by what I do in the remaining hours.

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« Reply #231 on: 14:33:36, 05-08-2007 »

OK, so you're 60% sure: that means that you've still got 40% safety net and thirty days or so to restore equilibrium. Can you give us a better idea of what's going wrong?
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« Reply #232 on: 15:03:25, 05-08-2007 »

Hi increpatio - what's brought this situation on so suddenly? Is it not possibly just a passing period, one of those times where you get that 'what's the point of it all' feeling, etc., or is it something more serious? Concerned about you - do talk if you want to, either here or in private.
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« Reply #233 on: 15:14:14, 05-08-2007 »

OK, so you're 60% sure: that means that you've still got 40% safety net and thirty days or so to restore equilibrium. Can you give us a better idea of what's going wrong?
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Complete lack of motivation.  Haven't lifted a finger for about a month, though I generally enjoy it when I do, and was dragging my feet (seriously: I don't know if I worked four consecutive days since february) for most of this calendar year in spite of my dearest wishes to actually sit down and study, and the satisfaction I usually get when I do(my supervisor is aware of this, and recently decreased my wage appropriately).

My supervisor's been away for a month, and I've not reported to him since then (though he told me to) and have been afraid to check my email since then also.  Which is very bad form, I know, but I'm just terrified about it, and I feel I should have *some* work done before I do.
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« Reply #234 on: 15:43:26, 05-08-2007 »

Complete lack of motivation.  Haven't lifted a finger for about a month, though I generally enjoy it when I do, and was dragging my feet (seriously: I don't know if I worked four consecutive days since february) for most of this calendar year in spite of my dearest wishes to actually sit down and study, and the satisfaction I usually get when I do(my supervisor is aware of this, and recently decreased my wage appropriately).
I know how that feeling can be - it's like climbing a mountain just making oneself 'start' something (once it's started, then it's ok)? What I've found is good in such situations is to try and do something else somehow 'active' (not posting here or anything like that), even just clearing some things up in the house, or something like that. Something which brings some tangible results, then it's easy to get down to something else more active like work.

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My supervisor's been away for a month, and I've not reported to him since then (though he told me to) and have been afraid to check my email since then also.  Which is very bad form, I know, but I'm just terrified about it, and I feel I should have *some* work done before I do.
It doesn't sound like your supervisor is a particularly sympathetic individual at the time when you need that - is there no-one else in the department who might be able to help (not a faculty member, necessarily, there are lots of people studying who have these types of problems and there are usually people employed to help through such periods)? I know it would probably be a very hard step to go and talk to someone like that, but if you can, I think it would be a good idea.

Thanks.  Frankly I've been feeling wretched since Easter.  Just, the whole "nobody being about" thing (and pay-cut, due to my laziness) over the past month has rather exacerbated the whole situation. 
That's a situation which alas is endemic to academic life, just because of its very nature. Involves spending large amounts of time on one's own, which in turn brings cravings to 'get out' more when not working, and so on, or anything that will bring human contact. Working as a solo musician is quite similar in many ways. Maybe it becomes most problematic when one sees one's work as one's life, and when work seems lonely, isolated, possibly fruitless, then the rest of life can seem the same way? But it doesn't have to be that way - it's important to maintain, as far as possible, a life outside of one's work. It's obviously a bad situation for you at the moment, and easy to dwell on in a self-perpetuating manner - it's time to tell yourself to get your arse in gear!  Smiley If you know you are capable of finishing your studies and doing them well - which I reckon you are - then won't the consequences of not doing so be worse than however you feel at the moment?

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I'm not entirely sure it's not due to my lack of social mathematical contacts (the department is rather small, there are no postgrad courses, and all the postgrads are working in different fields, so I only have my supervisor who, while helpful and good-natured can't really be approached for friendly & informative chats).
That's also an endemic problem when one works in a very specialised area of research, in any discipline. Not sure what to suggest there - perhaps it would be better to think in terms of establishing your reputation by impressing others with your work, rather than simply by 'getting on'? I wouldn't trust academic social contacts too much, anyhow - I don't know what it is about academia that engenders such a high degree of bad feeling and back-stabbing amongst colleagues, but it is certain palpably the case in most fields, as far as I can see.

Don't know if this helps - could you do some even small thing today? Even just 30 mins worth or something - before posting on here again? I think you'd be much happier if you did.
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« Reply #235 on: 17:06:24, 05-08-2007 »

When Ian scores a bull's eye it's always absolutely dead-on. Everything here makes total sense. Don't try to take on too much, but start off by setting yourself a small manageable section to do, where the results can be seen, before allowing yourself a treat, be it posting here or whatever. And if you're finding that your supervisor just isn't the right person to talk to, then you need to make that known and think about alternative arrangements. Shake yourself up by changing your habits a bit. Are you eating well, or has that got into the convenience rut? Do you exercise at all - even just a walk, everyday?

If it's like the feelings I sometimes get, then it's like standing at the bottom of a cliff and looking up it, thinking 'I can never climb this'; but of course, unless you're a macho idiot, going straight up the sheer face is a high-risk daunting enterprise. There are always other paths: find the way to get to your destination that suits you, and deal with it section by section rather than worrying about it all at once. Give us a day by day account of what you've achieved and how you're feeling: you know that there are people here who will willingly spend time helping you.
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« Reply #236 on: 19:16:17, 05-08-2007 »

Excellent advice from Ian and Ron if I may say so. I particularly endorse the point about making yourself, or maybe it's just allowing yourself (?), to do something not related to the immediate work in hand. It's very easy to get caught up in the bind of, "I've got this important task and so I musn't waste time or energy doing anything else until it's done. And until I've got it done I certainly don't deserve to spend time or energy on doing anything enjoyable."

It's very tempting to think like that, as I have known to my cost too in the past, but I really am convinced it is a mistake. 'Energy', in particular, doesn't seem to work like that. You generate more, and kick-start what you have got already, by doing something unrelated  -  either useful or just pleasurable, but definitely something active. And don't think of it as 'instead of', or 'opposed to', getting on with the work. It's part of servicing the machine that will get the work done, so it's part of getting it done.

On the point about seeing your supervisor, I'd offer one other thought but only because I think I, again, recognise from experience the sort of thing you are describing. I wouldn't get too hung up on the idea that you must get such and such amount of work done before you go and see him. If you do that you will probably keep persuading yourself that you haven't done enough yet, and put it off again. It's again a bit of a self-imposed trap that doesn't actually need to be there. My suggestion would be to make what progress you can on the detailed work you are doing but, more importantly perhaps, draw yourself up some sort of sketch of how you see the work going over the next few months, what areas you want to cover, what lines of investigation you want to take, what research you will need to do to pursue them, who you might talk to to take them further (or whatever it may be). And then use that as the basis of a discussion with your supervisor so that the conversation can be about "I've got in a bit of a hole here and run out of momentum. These are the sort of things I was proposing to do to get back on track and take this forward. What do you think? Which bits look useful? Which bits would you advise pursuing and which dropping? Any other suggestions for people whose work I should be looking at? " (etc, etc, or whatever is appropriate to your field). That way, the conversation doesn't get stuck on 'the problem' but starts off being about your plans for solving the problem.

If that doesn't seem to fit the circumstances then obviously please just ignore. But I just offer it in case it does, and because the situation sounds a bit familiar.

Oh, and (I know it goes without saying but I'm going to say it) supervisors are there to help in these circumstances. That's their job. And you won't be the first to have hit a low patch. They do know about these things or, if not, they ruddy well ought to as part of the job. They would much rather people came to talk these things through rather than letting them fester.

Whatever you decide to do, all best wishes for pulling through this patch.     
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« Reply #237 on: 09:30:46, 06-08-2007 »

Incre,

In a way, I hope you aren't reading this, as that may well mean that you have found the spark in the maths that leads you to forget about all else for hours!

But if you are taking a small break, I just wanted to say that it's good to have another mathmo on board.  I lost the love of maths early on in my maths degree and had many months of struggle with revision and exercises etc.  I wish I had had a tutor like Ian , Ron and George!

I'm back to loving the beauty of maths again, so if you need to talk to anyone to find the interest in a problem, please give me a shout.  You may need to go back to some basics to explain, but that itself can help clarity and find new approaches.....

And there are many maths people on these boards who may also be interested in the topic at hand!

Whatever happens, I wish you all the very best!

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« Reply #238 on: 15:30:39, 06-08-2007 »

All the best from me too, 'patio. I shan't add much (nor could I) to the excellent advice above. But just to say that, as a supervisor of postgrad/doctoral work myself, I heartily endorse what George says on that matter. You have to meet him/her halfway of course - and that means checking your emails and suchlike! - but I see the sort of problems you describe as being very much part of a supervisor's remit to address and advise on. It's a kind of 'academic support', and our university at least offers professional training to us in all aspects of supervision, including this one.
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« Reply #239 on: 19:51:46, 06-08-2007 »

Thanks for all of the words of advice and encouragement.  Well, I slept in today, maybe only got in to college about half eleven, but managed to sit in the library downstairs for much of the time until 7.  Had to start a lot of stuff from scratch though (this is the main problem with loosing momentum).  Provided I get to sleep tonight before 12 I will hopefully be able to get something similar done tomorrow.  I don't think working 9/5 hours will burn me out, and I do have to do something, so.

And I've promised myself no R3OK before 6pm or after midnight for the time-being.

And, though I can see the sense of emailling my supervisor right now, I don't think he's someone I can approach on a downswing, so I'll try get to him on Friday when, hopefully I'll have done a week's work.

Tommo; it's weird at the moment; I'm finding a lot of topics that I used to think were really ick and technical a while ago to be really quite lovely now just today.

So today I covered me some basic topics, and tried to understand two slightly more technical theorems.  Tomorrow I will try to finish up on the basics, complete the easy (just one-and-a-half pages) theorem, and spend a short time working on the problem I was told to work on by my supervisor.

The isolation isn't as bad as I thought.  So long as I don't get stuck working on just one thing I won't get as frustrated when I hit dead ends(and whenever I start working on just one thing I tend to forget everything else entirely).  This is an important thing I will not forget.

I will report back on this thread tomorrow.  And I thank you all very much for the help.

So yes, feeling a little bit better today.  Hopefully better again tomorrow.
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