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« Reply #45 on: 19:23:51, 13-05-2007 » |
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Bryn, Thank you very much for the site. I looked at the book a little and it is very intellectual and difficult. I will have to take it in small portions. I think may be it is better to order a CD so that it is not too dry and I can hear the music.
I am thinking to order a few contemporary pieces. I am considering Stockhousen Klavierstuck V or Klavierstuck IX and something of Feldman. I probably will go with Berio Six Encores or (and?) Finnissy's Gershwin Arrangements. This pieces sound like something I could try to do. I have not started yet looking for them on the net. They may be difficult to find.
Ive's music sound too difficult for my level. I need something that I can handle. If I can't play it I can listen to it. But I want to give it a try and may decide to order it too since I know nothing of his music.
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« Reply #46 on: 20:26:05, 13-05-2007 » |
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t-p, I am not a pianist at all, but those I know all view the Concord Soata as a bit of a mountain to climb. There again the very soft playing demanded by much of Feldman's work is a whole area of technique to develop.
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« Reply #47 on: 20:44:03, 13-05-2007 » |
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In this case I have to abandon this project. I will stay with the ones that Ian recommended. He knows I have my limitations. I do want to try something.
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« Reply #48 on: 16:56:00, 14-05-2007 » |
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Mabeljane, on teh waffle thread (#571) made me realise I had miss something.... When I was a teenager, I did a cheat on reading the clef. G above middle C in the treble clef is the second row up (Every GOOD Boy deserves food), and on the violin this note is a third finger on the 2nd lowest string (the D string).
In contrast, the 3rd finger on the 2nd lowest string of the viola is middle C. And in alto clef this is actually the middle note of the stave. So my cheat was to read the viola clef, but ignore the bottom line of the stave and mentally add another at the top. Then I would just fool myself that I was playing the violin and reading treble clef. Ledger lines became a problem, so I have now learnt to read the actual notes, and relate the to their (up to 4 possible) positions on the viola. I forget about fingers and just get to stop the string with whatever is handy......
However, I forgot to mention that sometimes this approach went wrong! I would forget that I was playing the viola, and instead a) think I was playing on an instrument with strings G, D, A, and E and b) think that I was reading the treble clef. So, what was written as the middle note of the stave, instead of being a 3rd finger on the G string (Middle C), became what I thought was the B above. However, as this B is a first finger on the A string, I'd play this as 1st finger on the second highest string of the instrument in my hand, which happened to be a D string. So I was playing the E a third above the note intended in what I was reading. (Confused?) Tommo
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« Reply #49 on: 09:22:27, 15-05-2007 » |
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Ho tommo, I remember when I was first learning to 'play' the viola I did similar strange things! I actually taught someone the viola up to grade 6 but when we got to third position C clef etc I thought 'Blow this, he had better find a violist!!' Gorgeous instrument though , I ought to play it more. A
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« Reply #50 on: 07:48:50, 26-05-2007 » |
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I am playing for violin and viola exams now (RIA). I find that many of the violinsts are playing pieces that are too difficult for them. For example I had a young woman yesterday who played Kabalevsky concerto (II movement) and who I did not think should play it. The tempo was very very slow and she was struggling with fast sections. I play with violinsts that are attempting to play Mozart concertos and Haydn and who don't have technique for that. I can not say that it doesn't happen in piano because I struggle with students who somehow got to grade 7, 8 or even more without acquiring any sort of technique. I have to say that this experience comes from RIA. I did not see anything like that in Associated board or anyother boards.
My question is should people attempt to play pieces that are too difficult for them or should they wait until they develop properly by playing easier pieces. I suppose one can say that playing very difficult piece can push one forward.
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« Reply #51 on: 09:40:06, 05-06-2007 » |
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Well, my view is that people should attempt pieces that are too difficult for them - but only just too difficult for them! That way, there are areas of technique that can gradually be mastered whilst building up a repertoire. Finding the right selection of works for a student's development may well be an individual thing, so should mean care from the teacher is required.
However, I don't believe people should perform a work that they have not mastered. Keep the learning and practice at home, put a statement you wish to make on stage.
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« Reply #52 on: 09:50:05, 05-06-2007 » |
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Some times I play with students that are playing the piece with great difficulty and only half speed (or even slower). I had a viola student playing famous Brahms Scherzo this way. She did pass the exam. The piece is difficult on the violin.
On the whole I am too hard on the teachers, I know. String playing here is getting better. We have several new teachers and older teachers with experience. It is a good mix. I was pleased with exams this year. One boy of 16 is playing violin and viola really well. He is emotional and has good temprement (not a sleepy performer). I enjoyed playing with him. He had two exams in one day: violin in the morning and viola in the afternoon. The next day was his piano exam. He has a good teacher. Now he wants to learn organ.
He is really talented. They accepted him on viola into Younth orchestra in Dublin. They had controversy lately and the whole board resigned. They wanted to combine two orchestras (one where up to 16 years old are playing and one where older childen are playing). John O'Connor wrote an open letter. The board now resigned and the orchestra is going back to the original formula with two orchestras.
The boy I am talking about learn viola in a month or so and was accepted. He is going to go to Dublin, he said. Many students are boys and in fact girls are not majority at all. It is about 50 50 ration. I am glad.
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« Reply #53 on: 00:08:55, 13-06-2007 » |
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violin in the morning and viola in the afternoon. The next day was his piano exam. He has a good teacher. Now he wants to learn organ.
This seems a bit excessive!!! It reminds me a bit of a little girl I knew who came up to me after about 6 months of violin lessons( she was about 6) and she said 'I have learnt the violin now, what shall I learn next?' I think the violin takes about 3 years to learn to play badly!! I also think that all musicians should learn the piano for a few years first... that's my opinion anyway!! A
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« Reply #54 on: 06:33:18, 13-06-2007 » |
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I am looking at students now who are playing many instruments now, all kind of badly. Most of my students play only one instrument, but many play at least two instruments: violin, flute, cello. Usually one instrument is a main instrument. To play one instrument well is a difficult task in itself. I was not allowed to play anything else because one should learn one thing in depth rather than several superficially. That was the view in my time.
All instrumental players were required to take piano in my days in music schools. But I think that piano players should now something about playing at least one more instrument. It is my handicap that I don't play anything else, but piano.
Rostropovich was a good piano player. I don't think he performed solo piano repertoire in public, but he could accompany. Cello was his main instrument. But he is an exception. Most world class players play only one instrument publically. Is there any other performer who performed in public on their secondary instrument?
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« Reply #55 on: 09:42:16, 13-06-2007 » |
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I like your thing about it takes 3 years to play badly.
For me it was 7 years to push a flawed technique to grade 8, 2 years to unlearn that, then 4 years relearning what I thought was the right way. Only to find I had to unlearn some more (2 years). Oh, and then I started learning how to be a musician, not just an instrumentalist, and things started falling into place. Still learning, by the way....
I think the violin is so unnatural that you always end up learning something wrong, and have to deconstruct whilst retaining a memory of the right bits.
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« Reply #56 on: 09:51:13, 13-06-2007 » |
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I have an experience now watching the young man of 25 -26 years old learning violin. He started young, went to local teachers (trained in Cork) then was going to Cork by bus for several years. Two years ago I played for Diploma in Royal Irish Academy with him. He got the diploma, but he wasn't a good violinst. Now he went to Limmerick for two years (taking his MA). Yesterday he came to rehears possible lunch time concert. What a difference one year can make!!! He is now much better violinist. He still doesn't have as good technique, but the slow pieces are sounding good. He has a soul and I feel it is important in playing any instrument. We also have a good viola player with the soul here. Unfortunately there is no cello.
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« Reply #57 on: 00:54:19, 20-06-2007 » |
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Does anybody know Sinding violin sonata? I never heard it before. I did not know about composer Sinding too.
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« Reply #58 on: 01:31:36, 20-06-2007 » |
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« Reply #59 on: 02:03:37, 20-06-2007 » |
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Andy, Rustle of Spring is on the syllabus for examinations and is the only piece of Sinding I know.
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