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Author Topic: Should children be forced to learn to read music?  (Read 2546 times)
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« on: 11:47:38, 08-08-2008 »

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/art/2008/08/should_children_be_forced_to_l.html

My favourite comment on this piece by Charlotte Higgins (no I didn't write it):

I didn't get where I am today by not knowing how to read music.

Teach the little brutes the basics, I reckon. You should no more sit a Music GCSE without knowing how to read music than you would sit a Drama GCSE without knowing how to read English.

Then again - perhaps you CAN sit a drama GCSE without being able to read?
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« Reply #1 on: 11:53:25, 08-08-2008 »

The answer is YES. I didn't learn how to read music when I was a child and I'm sad about that.

Learning how to read music is like learning another language: a very useful thing to do.

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« Reply #2 on: 11:54:33, 08-08-2008 »

The world would be a different place if Sir Paul McCartney had learned to read music.
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« Reply #3 on: 11:59:00, 08-08-2008 »

Learning to read music is really only part of it. I bridle at the word "forced" but I would argue that there needs to be quite a lot more music in primary schools in particuar; especially collective singing and elementary instrumental playing.  I know that finding room in the syllabus is difficult, but the rewards are enormous, and in social terms every bit as great as the alleged benefits of school sport.


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« Reply #4 on: 12:03:36, 08-08-2008 »

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/art/2008/08/should_children_be_forced_to_l.html

My favourite comment on this piece by Charlotte Higgins (no I didn't write it):

I didn't get where I am today by not knowing how to read music.

Teach the little brutes the basics, I reckon. You should no more sit a Music GCSE without knowing how to read music than you would sit a Drama GCSE without knowing how to read English.

Then again - perhaps you CAN sit a drama GCSE without being able to read?


My favourite was this:

This notion of the Albarn, an A-Level musician, appeared in the South Bank Show in the late 90s. Noel Gallagher took the p*ss out of it...

Hmm, someone in Oasis ridiculing someone from Blur?  Surely not... well it must be a well-founded criticism in that case...  Roll Eyes

As far as I can remember, we all had to write music at secondary school, and this was pre-GCSE.  Very basic stuff for those who weren't learning instruments, but still a little bit of an intro.   I'm astonished that any GCSE music syllabus wouldn't require pupils to write music.  What on earth does it contain then???  How do you write an essay referencing pieces of music without being able to notate a phrase??
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« Reply #5 on: 12:04:05, 08-08-2008 »

I sympathised with this comment:

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I can't sing a note without being threatened with violence, I can't even play an instrument well enough to become a pop star but I can read music.

That sounds exactly like me. I learned to read music at a very basic level at school (I didn't take a music O level) and I can still do it.

It gave me no end of satisfaction, when I sat at my sister's piano recently, to find that I could play (very slowly) a tune written in the book in front of me. Even though I have no need to read music, I'm very happy that I can.

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« Reply #6 on: 12:04:36, 08-08-2008 »

If I may be Devil's Advocate for a moment, what precisely are the advantages of being able to read music?
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« Reply #7 on: 12:13:29, 08-08-2008 »

If I may be Devil's Advocate for a moment, what precisely are the advantages of being able to read music?

Well, it makes playing music more easy, don't you think so, P-G? Wink

It's the same with drawing. Learning about perspective, etc. can enhance one's appreciation of paintings.
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« Reply #8 on: 12:23:05, 08-08-2008 »

 I'm astonished that any GCSE music syllabus wouldn't require pupils to write music.  What on earth does it contain then???  How do you write an essay referencing pieces of music without being able to notate a phrase??

Essay writing doesn't enter into it.  The main elements are:

A listening test - listening to six pieces of music and answering questions about the genre, instrumentation etc. (Can't remember which board my daughter's exam was with but the extracts included Adams' Short Ride in a Fast Machine, Purcell's Sound the Trumpet and something by Oasis).  This part requires some familiarity with form and different genres.

A composition, which can be submitted in writing or electronically (sampling is permitted).  No ability to read music required.

A performance element (which again might include sampling, or for example a set of drum riffs).  The concerto movement that my daughter entered, one of her grade 7 trombone pieces, was described by her teachers as being almost embarrassingly beyond the required standard.  Again, you could get by without reading music.





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« Reply #9 on: 12:55:25, 08-08-2008 »

If I may be Devil's Advocate for a moment, what precisely are the advantages of being able to read music?

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« Reply #10 on: 13:07:27, 08-08-2008 »

If I may be Devil's Advocate for a moment, what precisely are the advantages of being able to read music?

erm, playing an instrument or two?
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« Reply #11 on: 14:14:57, 08-08-2008 »

 I'm astonished that any GCSE music syllabus wouldn't require pupils to write music.  What on earth does it contain then???  How do you write an essay referencing pieces of music without being able to notate a phrase??

Essay writing doesn't enter into it.  The main elements are:

A listening test - listening to six pieces of music and answering questions about the genre, instrumentation etc. (Can't remember which board my daughter's exam was with but the extracts included Adams' Short Ride in a Fast Machine, Purcell's Sound the Trumpet and something by Oasis).  This part requires some familiarity with form and different genres.

A composition, which can be submitted in writing or electronically (sampling is permitted).  No ability to read music required.

A performance element (which again might include sampling, or for example a set of drum riffs).  The concerto movement that my daughter entered, one of her grade 7 trombone pieces, was described by her teachers as being almost embarrassingly beyond the required standard.  Again, you could get by without reading music.
Thanks PW.

I can see the way all this is going - schools are stripping out all the paper-based stuff and relying on computerised everything.  By the time I was at school there was much less emphasis on mental arithmetic and we had calculator and non-calculator exams.  Now apparently spelling isn't important because of spell-check (don't get me started), and some schools are dropping joined up writing on the basis that people write much less these days so they don't need to be able to write fast (Huh?).

I know we're all sat here typing away, but I can't help feeling that it's dangerous to think kids won't ever need paper in the future.  What happens if suddenly they don't have them any more?  This might be a little extreme but it bothers me.  Fine - teach them computer skills, but don't make them rely solely on computers.
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« Reply #12 on: 15:53:56, 08-08-2008 »

If I may be Devil's Advocate for a moment, what precisely are the advantages of being able to read music?

erm, playing an instrument or two?

Firstly, I agree with Perfect Wagnerite, that the idea of a child being "forced" to learn anything is anathema. Good teachers engage the child's curiosity, and the rest should be a matter of guiding.

Secondly, I know at least one very capable musician who can't read a note of music, but can play very effectively. But I feel that said VCM would be able to explore a much wider repertoire with the ability to read music.
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« Reply #13 on: 15:54:36, 08-08-2008 »

I don't think children should be "forced" to do anything. But I don't see any reason on earth why learning music notation should not form part of a basic school music syllabus. To my mind the onus is on those who would remove it to explain why it's undesirable or unnecessary or whatever, in relation to other items which remain on the curriculum. It isn't quantum field theory, after all: a basic knowledge of music notation is not that difficult to acquire, in relation to the understanding, potential for further learning and lifelong pleasure it can unlock. So what's the point of excluding it? Of course many well-known and "successful" musicians have done what they do without learning to read music, but I don't see what that's supposed to prove - particularly in the oft-cited case of Paul McCartney, whose woeful attempts to "write" orchestral and choral music with the assistance of someone who can deal with the dots would seem to indicate, if anything, that it might have been a good idea for him to have had a few lessons in notation at some point.

It's enough to make one think that the purpose of our state education "system" is obviously just to produce compliant and passive consumers whose abilities are limited to those necessary to ensure the ascendancy of the moneyed (and therefore better-educated) classes. Sound familiar?




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erm, playing an instrument or two?

Secondly, I know at least one very capable musician who can't read a note of music, but can play very effectively.

Not in our orchestra they couldn't !!!

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