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Author Topic: Serious Music Ensembles Variously Rated  (Read 951 times)
autoharp
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« Reply #15 on: 12:27:08, 26-09-2008 »

Edit:  I originally had Stravinsky Nonet.  It is really an Octet (isn't it?)

Do you mean Septet? (3 winds, 3 strings + piano)
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« Reply #16 on: 12:30:18, 26-09-2008 »

Septet. Ah, yes, that might be the one...

violin, viola, cello
clarinet, basson (or was it oboe?), horn
piano

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« Reply #17 on: 12:46:40, 26-09-2008 »

A few promising ensembles are those used by Schoenberg (who clearly had a knack for such things) for his

Ein Stelldichein, a 90-bar fragment for oboe, clarinet, piano, violin and cello from 1905, which was to be a chamber-scale tone poem along the lines of Verklärte Nacht (this was recorded by the London Sinfonietta for its Schoenberg cycle on Decca, but I don't know of any other recording - what there is of it is quite beautiful anyway).

Herzgewächse op.20 for high soprano, celesta, harp and harmonium.

Serenade op 24 (clarinet, bass clarinet, mandolin, guitar, string trio, bass voice in one movement).

Suite op.29 (Eb, Bb and bass clarinets, piano and string trio)

All these are among the few Schoenberg pieces I don't find tiresome.

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« Reply #18 on: 12:51:22, 26-09-2008 »

And of course one of the most influential lineups in the second half of the twentieth century - Boulez' Le marteau sans maître (mezzosoprano, alto flute, viola, guitar and 3 percussionists, two on pitched and one on unpitched instruments). Although I suspect that the sound of this ensemble might have been influenced by Henze's 1948 Whitman setting Whispers from Heavenly Death for soprano with trumpet, cello, celesta, harp and 4 percussionists.
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« Reply #19 on: 12:57:13, 26-09-2008 »

A few promising ensembles are those used by Schoenberg (who clearly had a knack for such things)

And then of course there's the ensemble for Pierrot Lunaire (flute, clarinet (doubling bass), violin (doubling viola), 'cello, piano and sprechstimme artist), the instrumental components of which have since consituted a fantastically common line-up, but which at the time was highly unusual - unprecedented, in fact?
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« Reply #20 on: 13:08:52, 26-09-2008 »

A few promising ensembles are those used by Schoenberg (who clearly had a knack for such things)

And then of course there's the ensemble for Pierrot Lunaire (flute, clarinet (doubling bass), violin (doubling viola), 'cello, piano and sprechstimme artist), the instrumental components of which have since consituted a fantastically common line-up, but which at the time was highly unusual - unprecedented, in fact?

I thought we'd had that, but seemingly not on this thread. (This is what happens when threads get split for no good reason.) While I'm here there's the op.9 Chamber Symphony as well.
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« Reply #21 on: 13:24:18, 26-09-2008 »

This is what happens when threads get split for no good reason.

Though in this case this separate thread was started independently, rather than being hived off from another, r.
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« Reply #22 on: 14:21:09, 26-09-2008 »

All jolly good, are not they?

What makes a truly seventh-rate ensemble?
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« Reply #23 on: 15:07:10, 26-09-2008 »

Saxaphone Quartet

Tommo

PS - Another good one: Harp, clarinet, flute, bassoon, violin, viola, cello
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« Reply #24 on: 15:08:23, 26-09-2008 »

Is there anything that is the same combination but with a piano in it?
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« Reply #25 on: 15:13:32, 26-09-2008 »

Harp, clarinet, flute, bassoon, violin, viola, cello

What repertoire is there for that ensemble? (I'm sure that's an admission of some horrible ignorance which is going to hit me in the face any moment.)
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« Reply #26 on: 15:17:37, 26-09-2008 »

All jolly good, are not they?

What makes a truly seventh-rate ensemble?

My feeling is that there's no ensemble which doesn't have at least one interesting composition hiding inside it. On the other hand I've never heard a brass quintet I'd want to hear again.
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« Reply #27 on: 15:19:52, 26-09-2008 »

Harp, clarinet, flute, bassoon, violin, viola, cello

What repertoire is there for that ensemble? (I'm sure that's an admission of some horrible ignorance which is going to hit me in the face any moment.)

No it isn't.  Tommo is having a very bad friday.  Of course, Ravel's introduction and Allegro is for String Quartet, flute, clarinet and Harp.  (But I quite like the idea of a basson playing the second violin part.....)

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« Reply #28 on: 15:23:03, 26-09-2008 »

On the other hand I've never heard a brass quintet I'd want to hear again.

Well, the Xenakis Khal Perr has percussion I suppose but does it count?  I saw it live once in Buffalo and had to reassemble the various body parts of mine that had been blown throughout the auditorium.
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« Reply #29 on: 15:26:21, 26-09-2008 »

On the other hand I've never heard a brass quintet I'd want to hear again.

Well, the Xenakis Khal Perr has percussion I suppose but does it count? 

Not for me, obviously...
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