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Author Topic: Serious Music Ensembles Variously Rated  (Read 951 times)
thompson1780
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« Reply #45 on: 22:48:55, 26-09-2008 »

Hmmm, bassoons.  <wistful emoticon>

Anyway, back to Bassoons.  I seem to remember a good Basson Violin passage in Milhaud's Creation du Monde.  Long time since I've heard it, so I may be wrong.

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« Reply #46 on: 23:17:57, 26-09-2008 »

Isn't there a bassoon cymbalom passage in Stravinsky's Rénard as well?
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« Reply #47 on: 23:30:22, 26-09-2008 »

Nominations for best use of bassoon(s) in a chamber music context? Mine is the two in Stravinsky's Octet. And that's, er, flute, clarinet, two bassoons, trumpet, cornet, two tombones. This is the combo that came to S 'in a dream' (if you believe anything he ever said about his dreams).

How about the Zelenka trio sonata -- you know, the jammin' one?

Other than that... erm... yes.
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« Reply #48 on: 23:38:32, 26-09-2008 »

Mick Beck is a highly interesting improvising musician who plays bassoon. So is Katherine Young.

Anyway.

What do we think of wind quintets? Not very much in my case, apart maybe from the Ligeti Ten Pieces. There seems to be quite a bit for this ensemble by Anton Reicha of weird fugues fame. Are they interesting? What about string quintets?
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« Reply #49 on: 23:51:28, 26-09-2008 »

Mick Beck is a highly interesting improvising musician who plays bassoon. So is Katherine Young.

Anyway.

What do we think of wind quintets? Not very much in my case, apart maybe from the Ligeti Ten Pieces. There seems to be quite a bit for this ensemble by Anton Reicha of weird fugues fame. Are they interesting? What about string quintets?

You know, that's true.  Whatever happened to the string quintet?  Any prominent ones from the last fifty years?  My.

Not quite a wind quintet but I'm quite fond of Janacek's Mladi even if it's not his most profound influence.  The Nielsen isn't bad either.
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« Reply #50 on: 00:33:42, 27-09-2008 »

What about string quintets?
Dunno, guv (i.e., I'd be the wrong person to answer this one, I guess)...
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« Reply #51 on: 05:24:45, 27-09-2008 »

I like qt's Hedone. Isn't that a string quintet? It's not repertoire yet, of course, and may never be, but I still do like it.

I don't like the woodwind quintet as an ensemble, but I do think it's good to arrange music for woodwind quintet, as one then learns a lot about woodwind instruments. Listen to me, preaching. But it's true.
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« Reply #52 on: 07:35:37, 27-09-2008 »

Mick Beck is a highly interesting improvising musician who plays bassoon. So is Katherine Young.

Anyway.

What do we think of wind quintets? Not very much in my case, apart maybe from the Ligeti Ten Pieces. There seems to be quite a bit for this ensemble by Anton Reicha of weird fugues fame. Are they interesting? What about string quintets?
There are lots by Reicha and yes they're quite lovely. Have a hear of the Albert Schweitzer Quintet box some day.

But in general - no, I don't think it really cuts it as a medium. Not enough in the bass.
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« Reply #53 on: 09:35:49, 27-09-2008 »

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« Reply #54 on: 10:22:27, 27-09-2008 »

I've written a wind quintet and a string quintet. I enjoyed doing both, but I have problems with both too. In the case of the wind one, it's that old thing about the godammed flute - it just can't seem to blend properly unless you take bizarre precautions in the scoring. It's the attack sound: all the other instruments can make a 100% clean attack, but the flute (however good the player) ends up going 'pth'.

With string 5tets I'd have much preferred to have two 'cellos rather than the two violas I had to use (for depth and umpf). Better still, a sextet with two of everything. But even with a sextet it's starting to feel like a different, less chamber-like ensemble, without the intimacy of a string quartet...
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« Reply #55 on: 10:52:39, 27-09-2008 »

Bassoons

http://digressions.scroggles.com/2008/09/26/hear-twelve-bassoons-on-youtube/

Works better on brass I reckon
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« Reply #56 on: 11:37:40, 27-09-2008 »

The sounds of bassoons are so beautiful. I love bassoons.
They can change their sound and have a funny sound.
Thank you for posting that beautiful sound.

I like clarinet with string quartet. I love Mozart clarinet quintet. But then what do I know or understand. I am not a composer.
Piano blends very well with everything. It has a good attack (unlike flute). Piano quintets are fun. One feels like playing a mini concerto with a small orchestra.
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« Reply #57 on: 15:22:47, 27-09-2008 »

I've written a wind quintet and a string quintet. I enjoyed doing both, but I have problems with both too. In the case of the wind one, it's that old thing about the godammed flute - it just can't seem to blend properly unless you take bizarre precautions in the scoring. It's the attack sound: all the other instruments can make a 100% clean attack, but the flute (however good the player) ends up going 'pth'.

With string 5tets I'd have much preferred to have two 'cellos rather than the two violas I had to use (for depth and umpf). Better still, a sextet with two of everything. But even with a sextet it's starting to feel like a different, less chamber-like ensemble, without the intimacy of a string quartet...

I always thought it was the horn that was the main problem with wind quintets. I did think of two I like though: profile by Hans-Joachim Hespos and Stockhausen's Adieu (Zeitmasze is also nice but it isn't a "proper" wind quintet, replacing the horn with an English horn).

I think one of the difficulties of establishing a repertoire for string quintet must be that the instrumentation isn't standardised. The one I wrote, like Alistair's, is for string quartet and double bass (though mine adds electronics and his adds soprano). A combination I've used a number of times within larger ensembles is a sextet of 2 violins, viola, 2 cellos and bass, which I think would make an interesting ensemble on its own too. I've also used the quintet with two violas within a larger work (but often appearing on its own), with the second viola doubling on third violin, thus duplicating the lineup of Morton Feldman's Violin and String Quartet.

I did quite like the massed bassoons. To me they almost had about them an "archaic" sound as of some Renaissance consort of curtals/dulcians, more so than a modern brass ensemble would have anyway.
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« Reply #58 on: 16:07:54, 27-09-2008 »

I always thought it was the horn that was the main problem with wind quintets.

I heard that too, but had far less of a problem on that score than with the flute. If you're after a homogenous texture there are many plces to put the horn vis a vis the oboe, clarinet and bassoon. It nestles in there very nicely. Plus it's easy to make its differences play to your advantage where necessary. But with the flute, it just sits there, inevitably at the top of the texture most of the time, going 'phtp', or 'tweet', all breathy and thin. I love the flute, but for me it's more of a sore thumb than the horn in this ensemble.
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« Reply #59 on: 16:44:09, 27-09-2008 »

Watch it martle! Don't forget the Angry Flautists!


PS phtp tweet pth
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