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Lord Byron
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« on: 12:43:40, 14-05-2007 »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6653013.stm

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« Reply #1 on: 19:33:45, 14-05-2007 »

Good bye Blair. I wish you well in America so you can screw them for loads of money instead of us. (of course he will still get his £600k++  a year tax free from us as an EX PM, which is probably the only reason Brown wants to get the job)
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« Reply #2 on: 19:46:53, 14-05-2007 »

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2536769.ece

says it all

for me blair is not the only culprit but certainly the symbol
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« Reply #3 on: 21:44:28, 14-05-2007 »

When I saw LB's post this morning I thought: well, that's the result of the type of society we have nurtured for ourselves/had foisted upon us (either option, depending on your point of view). I hadn't seen the Independent article at that point in the day. Thanks cdj for posting the link; as you say, it says it all.
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« Reply #4 on: 22:14:34, 14-05-2007 »

...and deeply depressing both articles are.

It does make you wonder about the sanity of those whose mental health is NOT adversely affected by life in the UK in 2007...
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« Reply #5 on: 22:55:00, 14-05-2007 »

Good bye Blair. I wish you well in America so you can screw them for loads of money instead of us. (of course he will still get his £600k++  a year tax free from us as an EX PM, which is probably the only reason Brown wants to get the job)
I take and understand your point but am nevertheless pretty much convinced, rightly or wrongly, that Brown has far higher agendas in mind than the mere attraction of a few (or not so few) hundreds of thousands of pounds per year (or is it month, week, day, hour?)...

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« Reply #6 on: 23:00:49, 14-05-2007 »

I'm sure Brown has many agendas, higher or otherwise, but that's one thing that bothers me. Those who are interested in this sort of thing are currently wondering what Brown thinks, what he is going to do, and he's already made a speech offering new this and new that. With so much resting on what one person thinks and wants, it's a continuation of the presidential style that Blair cultivated and which perhaps had its roots in the later days of Thatcher. It should be the governing party that sets the agenda. It should be the government, in particular the cabinet, that pursues policies and not just one person.
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« Reply #7 on: 07:55:11, 15-05-2007 »

I'm sure Brown has many agendas, higher or otherwise, but that's one thing that bothers me. Those who are interested in this sort of thing are currently wondering what Brown thinks, what he is going to do, and he's already made a speech offering new this and new that. With so much resting on what one person thinks and wants, it's a continuation of the presidential style that Blair cultivated and which perhaps had its roots in the later days of Thatcher. It should be the governing party that sets the agenda. It should be the government, in particular the cabinet, that pursues policies and not just one person.
Indeed. That said, however, whatever such things "should" be, it seems inevitable that Brown will not only take over in the way you describe but also act the new broom by appointing an entire new set of ministers of his personal choice in order (or so he presumably hopes) to assist in seeing through all the "new" old policies wherewith he is about to regale us all; this way, "the government, in particular the cabinet" will do - and be seen to do - precisely what that "just one person" wants (or "wunts", as the now-almost-forgotten John Minor used to say, for reasons best known to himself - perhaps because it was the only personal affectation that he could muster).

The said Brown has done his PR bit already by admitting to various "mistakes", even not quite failing to exclude reference (albeit exceedingly brief) to his advance corporation tax scam that has drained corporate pension schemes of some £60+bn throughout the life of the new old labour "administration"; I've yet to hear the chairmen /CEOs of any major UK companies retorting "OK, so can we have our (pension funds') money back now, please?", but I can already imagine the short shrift that they'll get if and when they do.

All he has to do now, in character, is to order his new Chancellor (to whom he will first have "listened" and from whom he will have "learnt", of course - Brown may be thinner on spin but he knows the value of the PR machine as well as anyone) to abolish the long-standing freedoms from liability to inheritance tax between spouses and from capital gains tax on the sale of one's own home and then impose a wealth tax and then all will be well on the taxation front in that everyone will be paying too much tax, not just some people; ah, well - it'll all help to give the tax avoidance industry plenty more work to keep it thriving...

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Alistair
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« Reply #8 on: 11:29:00, 15-05-2007 »

did you see the despatches on C4 last night - it painted a portrait from good inside evidence of a seriously petty minded tyrant, emotionally dysfunctional - would not communicate, took his ball home, vengeful mealomaniac on a par with Maxwell. Blair's most unforgiveable mistake may have been his failure to sack him in the second term. What are these people who tolerate Brown, let alone admire him, doing.
golden rule, never appoint the number two as successor, find another number one! false hope and buggins turn is ruinous. think of the denial involved these last ten years thinking that GB was the true hope of the party.
the bet is i'll eat my hat if he succeeds!
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« Reply #9 on: 17:19:16, 15-05-2007 »

did you see the despatches on C4 last night - it painted a portrait from good inside evidence of a seriously petty minded tyrant, emotionally dysfunctional - would not communicate, took his ball home, vengeful mealomaniac on a par with Maxwell. Blair's most unforgiveable mistake may have been his failure to sack him in the second term. What are these people who tolerate Brown, let alone admire him, doing.
golden rule, never appoint the number two as successor, find another number one! false hope and buggins turn is ruinous. think of the denial involved these last ten years thinking that GB was the true hope of the party.
the bet is i'll eat my hat if he succeeds!

But that just sounds like a typical politcal leader who is surrounded by sycophants and gets more and more detached from reality . I'm sure he, or Blair were little different to previous party leaders to start with, but the Wilson's and Callaghan's had to take note of fiery backbenchers (what happened to them?), hostile conferences and the trade unions as well as smarming up to the electorate every few years
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« Reply #10 on: 23:58:14, 15-05-2007 »

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Ye think just like we should
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« Reply #11 on: 06:52:16, 16-05-2007 »

. What are these people who tolerate Brown, let alone admire him, doing....the bet is i'll eat my hat if he succeeds!
Then you'd better start thinking about how you propose to prepare and cook it, for however appalling the prospect of Britain turning Brown may be, there would appear to be little if any credible alternative; by this I am not conferring any sense of credibility upon Brown himself - merely reflecting the lack of expressed opinion that will in part become responsible for his moving to the house next door in just a few weeks' time. I do think that thee can be little doubt that Brown has more of a sense of principle and a seriousness of purpose than Blair - but then that's what bothers me. Note also that Mrs Brown has decided largely to banish herself to the family home rather than share the kind of limelight that Chérie the lawyer has not objected to doing. Personally, even the impending Brownout of the nation fails to stretch my imagination to the point at which I can conceive of the for-the-time-being-United Kingdom as a land full of overcharged, overtaxed, 'umbly compliant proletarian presbyterian Puritans, but then perhaps I'm just imaginationally challenged (although, as I am a composer, I rather hope not).

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« Reply #12 on: 16:26:09, 16-05-2007 »

big spending big government by control freaks, he'll crash and burn with all the devils in the details; and EVENTS will give him no place to hide as PM, no more McAvity ruses possible. The spotlight will cripple him, and boy will the press want a go!
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« Reply #13 on: 16:31:02, 16-05-2007 »

big spending big government by control freaks, he'll crash and burn with all the devils in the details; and EVENTS will give him no place to hide as PM, no more McAvity ruses possible. The spotlight will cripple him, and boy will the press want a go!
I love your optimism - but to be replaced by who? one almost dares not try to wonder?...

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« Reply #14 on: 23:47:47, 16-05-2007 »

i don't know; my sympathies are left centre but not labour. i can not bring myself to vote conservative, but the cameroons have the look of a team of competent people about them - this is a perception, not a reccommendation. that is my point i suppose, this deal with Brown has blocked off a more natural succession. we may just be in the dudoos for a while!
i am not really a pessimist, but i found the C4 Despatches a pretty compelling portrait. probably too negative. Brown will be the most suprised person in the country when he gets in to No 10 and his resilience will be tested and all his reactions will be part of the national drama, centre stage, not off stage and unlit.

there is often something in the character of Finance Directors that ill equips them to fulfil the Chief Exec role for which they have hungered for years with a smouldering and grievous ambition. they are not connected to people, they are not likeable, and they and their organisation suffer when they get the top job.
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