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Tony Watson
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« Reply #165 on: 00:58:45, 09-08-2007 »

on Monday I heard an advert about some new product for 'Slow Digestive Transit' ... I think those were the words ... which I assume is a euphemism for constipation!

It's not constipation at all, Susan, but something quite different.
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« Reply #166 on: 09:49:52, 09-08-2007 »

For anybody interested in the science-versus-superstition debate, I highly recommend reading the late Carl Sagan and Stephen Jay Gould --

IRF - would you suggest any Gould in  particular?  I have browzed him in bookshops, but I think it would be Good For Me if I read him.

Dawkins has been around for years, and as far as I can make out publishing the same book every few years (I have never read him, although I note the awful effect of prolonged exposure to him in dear Milly.)  As far as I can make out it is the same arguments as were used by atheists a hundred years ago.

A footnote:

On the Sunday after Darwin was buried in Westminster Abbey, the Bishop of Carlisle said in a sermon there:  It would have been unfortunate if anything had occurred to give weight and currency to the foolish notion which some have diligently propagated, but for which Mr Darwin was not responsible, that there is a necessary conflict between a knowledge of Nature and a belief in God…”
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« Reply #167 on: 10:28:49, 09-08-2007 »

Me too   - but it gives me a chance to say that at the gym on Monday I heard an advert about some new product for 'Slow Digestive Transit' ... I think those were the words ... which I assume is a euphemism for constipation!


In Auden's libretto for Paul Bunyan, it's referred to as "food delay", a term he'd learnt in America and considered very funny.
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« Reply #168 on: 11:22:35, 09-08-2007 »

On the Sunday after Darwin was buried in Westminster Abbey, the Bishop of Carlisle said in a sermon there:  It would have been unfortunate if anything had occurred to give weight and currency to the foolish notion which some have diligently propagated, but for which Mr Darwin was not responsible, that there is a necessary conflict between a knowledge of Nature and a belief in God…”

Bishops of Carlisle were obviously a little more considered and circumspect in their pronouncements in those days then, Don B.  Wink
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« Reply #169 on: 11:44:03, 09-08-2007 »

Dead right, m.  The present one is a major embarrassment, as you imply.
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« Reply #170 on: 14:57:17, 09-08-2007 »

It's not constipation at all, Susan, but something quite different.
I have just googled and constipation comes into quite a few of the links, so I would be interested to know where I should look please.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #171 on: 17:22:20, 09-08-2007 »

I'm no doctor but I know someone with the condition. As I understand it, slow transit means the food moves slowly, causing pain and a heavy, bloated feeling. But toilet habits can be quite normal and regular (I can't believe I'm writing this). With constipation, there can be none of the bloating or abdominal pain but toilet habits are irregular and difficult. The two conditions can overlap and one can be the cause of the other.
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« Reply #172 on: 17:30:05, 09-08-2007 »

'Sic transit gloria mundi'
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« Reply #173 on: 17:55:58, 09-08-2007 »

First religious, and now digestive, tracts...
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« Reply #174 on: 18:59:46, 09-08-2007 »

People here are talking about Latin Mass coming back for Religious Services. People that I know like that. They also said that the good music will come back instead of the contemporary songs.
Does anybody know anything about that.
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« Reply #175 on: 19:16:30, 09-08-2007 »

Er, yes, tp.

It has always been permissible to celebrate mass in Latin. It is just that most catholics have preferred to have the service in the vernacular since it was allowed in the  1960s.  Not many have the resources to celebrate mass in Latin with the full wealth of catholic repertory, as at Westminster Cathedral.

Prior to the 1960s I get the impression that the majority of Roman Catholic churches did not celebrate mass with full music: in most cases they had said mass in Latin by the priest, with the laity sometimes singing hymns in the vernacular.

But whether mass was in Latin, or the vernacular I get the definite impression to my Anglican eyes, it was celebrated in a rushed, take-it-or-leave-it manner.  (To be positive, the catholic faithful are deeply unself-conscious at church.)

There is a possibility that they will now be allowed to attend mass according to the unreformed rite in Latin.  That in itself will make no difference to the music, which they could have now if they were able.

To my mind if you want to experience totally traditional liturgy with a wealth of music of unworldly beauty, you should look at your homeland, tp.

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« Reply #176 on: 22:22:26, 09-08-2007 »

I am so surprized they are going back to Latin mass. May be conservative time is upon us. People are saying that they like mystery and it is better if the mass is in Latin. I could not believe it.

In Russia they say mass in old Russian that is difficult to understand. They have Russian services in Dublin and once in a while here. It is amazing how the language has changed that one has to learn words to understand it, but the church is not even thinking to change the service to a modern language.

I am of the opinion that one should pray the way one feels like and I don't like institutions of religion. Institutions are way to control people. Here I heared they were talking how the church made people donate so much money during the war in order to build a cathedral. Now the church is losing power, but still they are very close with the state (like in Russia).
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« Reply #177 on: 00:37:32, 10-08-2007 »

increpatio, You are correct, there are 13 Zodiacal signs but the 13th isn't Ophiuchus, it's Eridanus (the River) - I think.

Oh !  Shurely not (hic).  Nay, nay and thrice nay. Methinks there are still only twelve signs of the zodiac in accordance with the ancient 'art' of astrology. Myself, I'm a true Piscean, born on the third of March (right in mid-sign as it were). I think that the noble art of astrology is very thaumaturgically mystical indeed and I would advise Mr Dawkins to completely abandon his current uninteresting, boring and dangerous research and take up the astrological cudgel. Although, of course, us Pisceans dont believe in astrology. It's a ..... (cont. on page 94).
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« Reply #178 on: 00:54:09, 10-08-2007 »

Ophiuchus? Eridanus? Well it wouldn't be the Microwave Oven or the Wii Console would it? Isn't it strange how the zodiac signs reflect the technology of the time, such as a pair of scales or an archer? Orion has a sword but there's no one up there with a machine gun. And there's a plough but no combine harvester.
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« Reply #179 on: 01:06:18, 10-08-2007 »

All the constellations look like saucepans to me Sad

Stars aside, I suppose it isn't completely inconceivable that the time of year you are born in might have some very, very marginal effect on how you eventually turn out. Availability of certain foods, hours of daylight, ambient temperatures at crucial stages in development? Can't see it amounting to anything much but, statistically, not totally  impossible?

Astrology is presumably failed science rather than failed religion, isn't it?   
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