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They're allowed to commit errors; they only proclaim truth in pope-approved papal bulls. And they've only had papal infallibility since whenever it was that they declared it to be the case (some time after the establishment of the church).
Oh, well that's alright then. Whether it is anything to do with 'religion' or not, and whether it might be happening without a 'religious' motivation, I don't know, but I am just humbled and lost in admiration for the courage of the Buddhist monks who have taken it upon themselves to stand up to the military Government in Burma and possibly lose everything in the process. I think they deserve our gratitude and support whatever our views on religion happen to be.
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Thanks for posting that. "While I'm at it," he said. "Wasn't it brilliant to see Aung San Suu Kyi alive and well outside her house last week? I think it will be a hundred times better when she takes her rightful place as the elected leader of a free and democratic Burma." Even better to see her taking her rightful place as the elected leader of a free and democratic Myanmar. 'Tougher EU sanctions' (because they work, don't they boys and girls?)... 'urgent visit to Burma by UN special envoy Ibrahim Gambari, as well as discussions at the UN security council'... Why doesn't he send cabinet ministers out there to march with the monks, or (better still) go out there himself? |
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« Reply #333 on: 17:33:24, 25-09-2007 » |
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Burma/Myanmar. Well, whichever they prefer  . The 'Myanmar' is a bit of a Military Junta thing. |
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« Reply #334 on: 17:50:34, 25-09-2007 » |
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I have a horrible feeling that this is going to turn out like the eskimos... And after reading the Wikipedia article, it seems that I've been misinformed...  I was told that 'Myanmar' was the name that was democratically voted in by the people, and that when the government was formally reprimanded by the UN, they changed the name back to 'Burma' so that any references to 'Myanmar' didn't apply anymore. The person who told me all of this seemed quite convinced... So, apologies to all Burmese everywhere. |
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« Reply #335 on: 18:18:54, 25-09-2007 » |
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It should be pointed out that this pope has also stated that the Roman Catholic Church is the one true church that is eternal and without error. They're allowed to commit errors; they only proclaim truth in pope-approved papal bulls. And they've only had papal infallibility since whenever it was that they declared it to be the case (some time after the establishment of the church). In fact, some considerable time after: 1870. Actually, since the Pope who decided that Popes were infallible must have been, at the time of decision, still fallible...  |
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« Reply #336 on: 18:26:58, 25-09-2007 » |
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That whole 'one true church, eternal and without fault' came from Benedict XVIth (can't remember when but it was in the last year I think) and seemed like a provisional verdict on ecumenism during his reign, which I think means that we're worshipping God in our way and he's worshipping Him in His.
To say that the RC church is 'without fault' is probably not very wise no matter when you say it. Most Catholics of my acquaintance are quite happy to talk about the problems in the church, both in the past and currently, in their own parishes and globally.
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« Reply #337 on: 18:58:46, 28-09-2007 » |
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Somebody else is taking up the "religion is evil" topic here: (the religion being catholocism in this case) http://www.secularism.org.uk/thesheerevilofthecatholicchurch.htmlAnd some might say "well it's just one relatively uneducated bastard preaching to a group of even poorer, more uneducated bastards". Shouldn't we hold individuals who have power and access to knowledge responsible for their views? And shouldn't we hold the Church responsible for the public views of its senior members? (sorry if I'm retreading the same ground as always). |
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« Reply #338 on: 21:09:33, 29-09-2007 » |
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Thank you for posting the two interesting NSS links.
No longer can the churches suppress secular opinions.
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« Reply #339 on: 21:14:08, 29-09-2007 » |
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Shouldn't we hold individuals who have power and access to knowledge responsible for their views? And shouldn't we hold the Church responsible for the public views of its senior members?
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« Reply #340 on: 00:12:32, 30-09-2007 » |
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Shouldn't we hold individuals who have power and access to knowledge responsible for their views? And shouldn't we hold the Church responsible for the public views of its senior members?
Yes and yes. It's a shameful practice. Hmm I'm not entirely happy with the tone I took posting that second post; it was indeed retreading old ground. I'm quite liking that web-site as a source of relatively neutrally-worded news. Have subscribed to it's RSS feed. Mmm. |
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I'm quite liking that web-site as a source of relatively neutrally-worded news. Really?! I've found everything you've linked to on it so far to be quite offputtingly combative in tone. Maybe it's just me. |
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I'm quite liking that web-site as a source of relatively neutrally-worded news. Really?! No. Not now that I think about it and read some of them again. |
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