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« Reply #1 on: 17:05:26, 09-09-2008 » |
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I am totally agree with this poem.
This is the second time around I live through political correctness.
The first one was different, but similar.
Similarity is in rhetoric.
The talk is a little different, though similar in many ways. However, there is a big gap between what is being said and what is really happening in real life.
I grew up during times when people stopped believing this rhetoric. Here I am at the beginning of rhetoric. It is still new and young people especially are very enthusiastic.
These are my feelings and may be I am not right.
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« Reply #2 on: 19:32:38, 09-09-2008 » |
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Yes, yes - he's offended cats... and trains... and Peronists... and audiences  |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #3 on: 11:06:21, 10-09-2008 » |
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It is not correct to call black people that name any more. Now friends that came from America are telling me that the proper word is African American.
One has to keep up with this sort of things.
It is difficult with humour now. You can not laugh at anything without creating an incorrect situations.
People were always laughting at themselves, why is it not possible now?
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« Reply #4 on: 11:22:19, 10-09-2008 » |
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People were always laughting at themselves, why is it not possible now?
I think it's the bit where people laugh not at themselves but at other people that may have been causing offence... Still, this is rather breathtaking I find: "Today people say you can't do this because it will offend that community, and then you can't say this because the Muslims will be offended by it and we'll end up being talked out of it. Talked out of ideas.
"Whereas when I was 20 I didn't think about those things - you could just do it." |
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« Reply #5 on: 11:38:10, 10-09-2008 » |
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What is important is the substance. Each nationality has their own peculiar traits. Often they laugh at themselves.
I often laught at myself or my culture.
With regard to job search it says that every one is equal (equal opportunity), but they are not.
Everyone is entitled to have a job, but there are not enough jobs to go around. People with degrees can not find appropriate jobs.
In the old Soviet Union there was so much talk about friendship between nations. All differences were swept under the carpet.
Now you can see for yourself. The amount of friendly feelings are obvious for anybody to see.
And I can go on and on. Empty retoric will lead to nothing (or dead end).
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« Reply #6 on: 15:59:29, 10-09-2008 » |
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Anyone who feels "political correctness" is a restriction on their freedom of expression has got the whole thing wrong from the very start.
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« Reply #7 on: 21:01:44, 10-09-2008 » |
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Anyone who feels "political correctness" is a restriction on their freedom of expression has got the whole thing wrong from the very start.
Agreed. And I dislike the way in which the term is used as a thinly-coded way of closing down debate when it gets into uncomfortable areas. |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #8 on: 21:11:00, 10-09-2008 » |
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Anyone who feels "political correctness" is a restriction on their freedom of expression has got the whole thing wrong from the very start.
Agreed. And I dislike the way in which the term is used as a thinly-coded way of closing down debate when it gets into uncomfortable areas. You mean - as Sarah Palin has most effectively done? Apparently asking her ANY kind of question is unfair - because she's a woman |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #9 on: 21:11:55, 10-09-2008 » |
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Anyone who feels "political correctness" is a restriction on their freedom of expression has got the whole thing wrong from the very start.
Agreed. And I dislike the way in which the term is used as a thinly-coded way of closing down debate when it gets into uncomfortable areas. You're not going out in that thin code, are you? You'll catch your death of a cold! |
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« Reply #10 on: 21:42:19, 12-09-2008 » |
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What I object to is the way people use their 'right-on' ness to close down debate - for example, a white person who refers to a black person as a 'nigger' is instantly labelled a 'racist': end of story. No attempt is made to understand why the term was used and no attempt is made to explore the intention behind the use of the term. And no one has yet explained to me why calling a person of African origin a 'nigger' is any worse than calling someone from Manchester a 'Manc'.
Many of the people who work in the race relations industry (for such it is) would have you believe that it is perfectly fine for people of African origin to refer to themselves and each other as 'niggers' but TOTALLY WRONG for a white person to use the term. And some would even argue (I've heard them) that it is perfectly reasonable for a black person to racially abuse a white person (as the black person has an obligation to be angry for the persecution his ancestors suffered at the hands of the white race) but TOTALLY WRONG for the reverse to apply.
In this way, the know-nothing left attempts to police everyday thought.
I despise political correctness in all its forms: the world is an infinitely greyer place for its advent.
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« Reply #11 on: 21:50:32, 12-09-2008 » |
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a white person who refers to a black person as a 'nigger' is instantly labelled a 'racist' What else could he/she possibly be? This is a serious question. |
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« Reply #12 on: 21:58:13, 12-09-2008 » |
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a white person who refers to a black person as a 'nigger' is instantly labelled a 'racist' What else could he/she possibly be? This is a serious question. It certainly is! Let me pose another serious one... When the Head of the Black Police Association is interviewed we all feel grateful that a representative of an important body within society is recognised and saluted. BUT...why is there no corresponding Head of a "White Police Association"? Would this be considered "racist"? If so (bearing in mind the previous paragraph), why? |
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« Reply #13 on: 22:05:26, 12-09-2008 » |
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The former KKK leader and Holocaust denier David Duke, who came close to becoming governor of Louisiana, once set up a National Association for the Advancement of White People in response to the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People. The implications of this were pretty clear, and a White Police Chief would be similar.
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #14 on: 22:07:18, 12-09-2008 » |
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a white person who refers to a black person as a 'nigger' is instantly labelled a 'racist' What else could he/she possibly be? This is a serious question. I'm not even going into Bazland. I'm astonished that the term 'nigger' has to be questioned at all in this day and age. Like 'Yid', 'Spic' or 'Frog', these words, thankfully have accreted more explicitly the smell of racism that they always implicitly carried. 'Nigger', as used by white people in the 1910s onwards, was always disparaging, and intended to be. Nowadays, that disparagement is subject to cultural sanction, thank goodness. |
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