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« on: 11:16:56, 14-05-2007 » |
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Reiner asked this question on another thread. I have left out operas, as I don't know them so well. Have we now reached the point where there is no point in rediscovering a work's reputation (as the Glyndebourne Theodora) and we can revisit old favourites?
I haven't done a poll before, so this is an experiment. You have two votes but can't change them.
Above measure is the pleasure.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #1 on: 11:25:17, 14-05-2007 » |
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Is there really a Mozartian version of GFH's MESSIAH?
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Il duolo della terra nel chiostro ancor ci segue, solo del cor la guerra in ciel si calmera! E la voce di Carlo! E Carlo Quinto! Mio padre! O ciel!
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #2 on: 11:30:30, 14-05-2007 » |
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With clarinets, I believe, Parsifal. You've missed the chance to hear it here: http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/5780 |
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« Reply #3 on: 11:54:39, 14-05-2007 » |
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Thanks, Basilio, for the info. I'm surprised, because I don't have it in my COMPLETE MOZART PHILIPS EDITION: is it a recent discovery?
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Il duolo della terra nel chiostro ancor ci segue, solo del cor la guerra in ciel si calmera! E la voce di Carlo! E Carlo Quinto! Mio padre! O ciel!
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #4 on: 12:06:56, 14-05-2007 » |
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Honest, it is K572. Robbins Landor The Mozart Companion lists "Instrumentation of Handel's Messiah". When I first got interested in classical music browzing record shops years ago, I'm sure I remember a Classics for Pleasure LP of hits. I'm seem to remember it was put on at the Proms some years back. I've never heard it. There's some chat on the link in my above post. (Not that I believe everything on the web.)
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #5 on: 12:13:43, 14-05-2007 » |
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Not only have I heard it but I have sung in it - at St Paul's no less!
I think it's been known for a while - there's a recording by Mackerras from the 1970s and, more recently, I think it featured on a BBC Music Magazine cover disc. It's basically an orchestration rather than an arrangement as such, but there are some differences - in Why do the nations the fast section is repeated, for instance.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #6 on: 12:28:18, 14-05-2007 » |
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Mozart's MESSIAH is very nice, and I rather prefer it to Handel's  But I didn't vote for it, because I cannot imagine how it could be staged. A film, maybe - with some on-location shots of the Holy Land etc - but not a stage performance. |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #7 on: 12:38:17, 14-05-2007 » |
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Aren't they better unstaged? Then you can focus on the music.
As they say, they best pictures are on the radio.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #8 on: 12:40:49, 14-05-2007 » |
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I believe that in multiple choice questions, there's always an obvious no-no. I remember a local authority quiz to win a ticket to the panto. Is Dick Whittington's pet A a golden labrador, B a cat or C a hamster.
Mozart's Messiah is the hamster. In fact the question was about revival, not necessarily staged. Mozart's Messiah raises interesting points about HIP.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:58:22, 14-05-2007 » |
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Whoops, I've just read Reiner's original question, and it DOES say stage. Sorry. Messiah would not work on stage any way. And I think Martin is right: they don't have to be staged to make their impact.
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« Reply #10 on: 13:05:28, 14-05-2007 » |
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Isn't PARSIFAL Wagner's version of MESSIAH, and more successful in the concert hall than the opera house? |
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« Reply #11 on: 13:17:53, 14-05-2007 » |
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Whoops, I've just read Reiner's original question, and it DOES say stage. Ego te absolvo PARSIFAL as Wagner's "Messiah"? Nice idea, and there is something in it, I'm sure. It must be why Nietzsche went berserk when he saw the piece, I presume? |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #12 on: 14:20:13, 14-05-2007 » |
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Isn't PARSIFAL Wagner's version of MESSIAH, and more successful in the concert hall than the opera house? That's interesting. Both works have been treated with off-putting reverence by certain groups, for whom they function in place of a traditional liturgy. (That's why Messiah was such a success, and has such a worthy reputation: it was taken up by non-conformists and evangelicals who didn't have or care for set liturgy). Parsifal seems to endorse a view of Christianity that was no doubt widespread, but never the heart of the matter: namely sex is sin, and sin is sex. |
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« Reply #13 on: 14:49:02, 14-05-2007 » |
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This poll is very good, Don B... a kind of "EuroVision" for Handel's Oratorios!  I see Belshazzar currently has nul points, but Saul and Susanna traditionally help each other out by voting strongly for each other.... |
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« Reply #14 on: 16:00:13, 14-05-2007 » |
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THEODORA, best of luck! (Where's JEPHTHA?) Anyone know DEBORAH, GIDEON and NABAL (Naxos recordings)? Can we later have a poll on Handel operas we wish to hear 'unstaged'?  |
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