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Author Topic: Il Trovatore - your all-star cast?  (Read 2737 times)
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« Reply #60 on: 09:18:56, 28-10-2007 »

Since I suspect (although hope otherwise) that this thread is peacefully winding down, I'd just like to say how much I've enjoyed it. I haven't been able to contribute really, but the combo of the usual opera erudition with flights of fancy and good humour has made it one of the best in recent times, for me.  Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: 09:24:23, 28-10-2007 »

Thanks for that, martle....here's a little more fun -

Here’s a sneak preview of a new production of Trovatore, complete with dodgy subtitles with dodgy spelling. The set’s a bit, well, on the cheap and cheerful side and ‘wooden’ isn’t the word for the acting on show… plastic might be a better description!

Act I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uErW42zznfo
Act II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Q76TZakIs
Act III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_YTcWUuNqU
Act IV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VqYIB1fASo

Luna: Prepare to die, gypsy scum!
Manrico: Whatever, dude! Like you know how to use that!


Enjoy!
 Cheesy
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« Reply #62 on: 11:43:33, 28-10-2007 »

Here's an oddity: "Di quella pira" sung by the great Czech tenor, Beno Blachut -- in Czech! He sounds a little less than comfortable on the high Cs, and it's odd hearing him sing this repertoire (as it no doubt would be hearing Bergonzi sing the Prince in Rusalka). This is from a 1955 recording of Trubadúr, with the Prague Radio Orchestra conducted by František Dyk, which is notable for being the most complete recording of the score before Muti's 2002 effort. So we get the full-length version of the aria here, complete with Leonora's bit in the middle.

http://www.mediafire.com/?axonvgxdxvy
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« Reply #63 on: 15:11:33, 28-10-2007 »

I quite like the Blachut recording - but what is he singing about futbol just after the first c'?   Wink   The conductor doesn't offer him much help, does he?   It's almost minuetto allegretto!   I really fear that the economics of pieces like TROV will leave them either as the preserve of the "super-houses" like the Met and ROH, or living dinosaurs in Eastern European houses who don't think in terms of "real money".   Mongolian National Opera (bless 'em!), for example,  have a TROVATORE production that's been around since the late 1950s...  they don't really have anyone who can sing it (except for the aptly-named Mr Bold as the Conte di Luna) but that doesn't, ehem, prevent them trying Wink   (Despite its Asian location, Mongolia fell under the soviet bloc's influence in the USSR period, so it has had an "E European" style opera house since 1954).
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« Reply #64 on: 16:05:07, 28-10-2007 »

Blachut's voice has got plenty of heft, so it's a bit surprising that the final notes sound slightly uncomfortable for him. Interesting to hear him, though.

Talking of Eastern bloc companies, has anyone seen the Chisinau National Opera?! I made the mistake of going to see their Nabucco, which was truly dreadful. I did consider leaving at the interval, but it had a certain 'car crash' quality to it...you just had to see the second half to see if the 'quality' was going to be maintained. It was a tiny stage (The Anvil) packed with big, imposing sets and a huge chorus, but very little action or direction.
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« Reply #65 on: 16:20:11, 28-10-2007 »

I did consider leaving at the interval, but it had a certain 'car crash' quality to it...you just had to see if the second half to see if the 'quality' was going to be maintained.

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Sadly there is a great deal of exactly that kind of production still found in the former Soviet Onion. The so-called "Ukrainian National Opera of Odessa" (a title which is highly disputed by the real National Opera in Kiev, btw...) are something similar, only even worse (if that were possible?).  The main reason they can be found working in W Europe is because... they're cheap Sad  The chance to earn some foreign currency for a month's tour means they are prepared to tolerate living conditions on tour (staying 8-10 to a room in youth hostels or in caravan-sites) which no local performers would accept.  I feel sorry for their economic plight (Moldova is a desperately poor place, the "forgotten one" of the ex-USSR states) but if you're going to use the famous phrase and "take your show on the road", you're obliged not to forget the first bit about "getting your show together" first Sad 

By way of substantiating the claim about this kind of operation being "cheap"...  a performer I know well (whose name appears in my B-list) was offered a tour of Germany and Netherlands, coincidentally in TROVATORE.  The fee for a major role - offered by a Netherlands impresario - was $120 per week, and there were averagely 4-5 performances (including matinees) per week...   so that's about $25 per show (£13).  There was the chance to improve the financial circumstances by agreeing to sing in the chorus of PAGLIACCI (the other show being toured) on the "off" nights of Trovatore, and this brought the money to $200 per week. Accom in 4-bedded dorms was included. "I told him to shove it up his %*%*" was the performer's reply...  but the show went ahead, so some other poor sod accepted these terms Sad   No wonder the quality of such shows is utter rubbish... even the best performers would be ground-down to complete dejection by conditions that wouldn't be permitted in a chicken-factory Sad  Heaven only knows how little the chorus and orchestra were being paid, but their accom was in 8-bed rooms (a condition which was supposed to make the soloists feel "privileged").
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« Reply #66 on: 16:42:22, 28-10-2007 »

Thanks for that, martle....here's a little more fun -

Here’s a sneak preview of a new production of Trovatore, complete with dodgy subtitles with dodgy spelling. The set’s a bit, well, on the cheap and cheerful side and ‘wooden’ isn’t the word for the acting on show… plastic might be a better description!

Act I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uErW42zznfo
Act II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Q76TZakIs
Act III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_YTcWUuNqU
Act IV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VqYIB1fASo

Luna: Prepare to die, gypsy scum!
Manrico: Whatever, dude! Like you know how to use that!


Enjoy!
 Cheesy

Hilarious! Cheesy (By which I mean the fact that someone took the time to do that! Roll Eyes)
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« Reply #67 on: 17:09:06, 28-10-2007 »

Ho Il Grande.  I saw the Chisenau Opera of Moldova about three years ago.  The production I saw was "Carmen" (in the fine theatre in Buxton) and I thought it very good.  Don Jose could have been better and Escamillo, with a fine voice, was, at times, a little rough.  The Carmen was young and really looked the part.  Her acting and singing were first rate, as was the Micaela's - a really young performer for a change.  I consider both these ladies amongst the best in their parts that I have encountered.  The chorus was o.k., sang accurately and filled their part well.  I had no quarrel with the production.

So far as Trovatore is concerned, my choice would be Bjorling and Milanov - though she was a little elderly on the famous recording.  Manrico does not require a great deal of "beef" and I do feel that it's about time this was realised.  What he requires is the ability, at times, to employ a good cutting edge forward production.  Di quella is easy to sing and I cannot understand any leading tenor's need to transpose down.  Ah si ben mio is, of course, a lot more satisfying to perform and, IMHO, a far better aria.
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« Reply #68 on: 17:39:08, 28-10-2007 »

Ho Soundwave! Perhaps I should give the Chisinau another try (in another opera) sometime? Not good to read about the conditions they have to put up with for precious little money, though.

I've just got hold of the Bjoerling/Milanov recording, which I enjoyed listening to yesterday. I quite agree about Di quella pira and posted earlier in this thread how disappointing it is that entire performances seem to be judged on the tenor's final notes of this cabaletta. In Ah si ben mio, I find Carlo Bergonzi hard to beat and have posted here a link to a video of this entire scene; I love how he's conveniently standing on some steps so he can tower reassuringly over his Leonora (Antonietta Stella) and, after a brief spell in front of the altar, heads back up to his step to launch into Di quella pira! The picture quality is poor, but the vocal quality shines through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Qut3jL0pY
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« Reply #69 on: 18:10:00, 28-10-2007 »

I do like the Blachut recording: but I agree with Reiner that the conductor doesn't do him any favours. Have only just discovered this performance, so will have to check out the rest of it and hear what it's really like.

The rest of the cast is:

Luna - Theodor Šrubař
Leonora - Milada Šubrtová
Azucena - Věra Krilová
Ferrando - Jaroslav Veverka
Inez - Věra Soukupová
Ruiz - Karel Leiss

The Czechs do like their Verdi: for many years, Nabucco was overwhelmingly the most popular opera in the repertoire, at least in Brno. And it's interesting that they seem to have been pioneers in doing a really complete Trovatore.
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« Reply #70 on: 19:51:17, 28-10-2007 »

Many thanks, Il Grande, for the Bergonzi link.  My sister informed me some time ago that in a list she saw of the great tenors of the 20th century, Bergonzi did not appear.  That is unbelievably criminal.
Cheers.
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« Reply #71 on: 07:01:41, 29-10-2007 »

A couple more clips for you to enjoy: Maria Callas in concert and Fiorenza Cossotto in a Vienna production.

Callas in Miserere : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avEWEbE6CA

Cossotto in Stride le vampa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG-8xU-lm_o
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« Reply #72 on: 11:41:37, 29-10-2007 »

On 'other language' recordings of Trovatore, there is a late 30s German radio recording that was available on Preiser with Helge Rosevange as Manrico. Now there was a tenor that needed no transposition for 'Di quella pira'! But it's interesting to listen to him in the role, as he only really comes alive in 'Ah si, ben mio' and the cabaletta - the rest of the time, he sounds fairly uninterested. By the way, the Leonora in this recording is the great Maria Reining, and pretty fine she is too, although I still wouldn't give up Price and Milanov in this music  Smiley
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« Reply #73 on: 22:34:09, 29-10-2007 »

Roswaenge's Di quella pira appears on a podcast of 12 performances from the 78s era:
http://handelmania.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=130110

For a further 25 (yes, 25!) performances of Di quella pira (all live ones), visit http://handelmania.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=130110 to download the podcast from the Handelmania site. It's in the form of a quiz, with results announced after every fifth performance. There are a few surprises there....quite difficult, although I reckon you'll get some of the more familiar names.
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« Reply #74 on: 16:52:02, 04-11-2007 »

I've been listening this weekend to a couple of Callas performances - the EMI studio recording with Karajan and a live one from La Scala (1953) with Antonino Votto (downloaded for 72p from here).  I enjoyed the EMI, although I find Rolando Panerai's voice an acquired taste. Karajan really is very fine in this opera, making it all the more disappointing that he fiddles so much with the balance between voices and orchestra in his later EMI version.
This Votto performance is very fine; Callas in superb voice, as is Ebe Stignani who delivers a stonkingly good Azucena. Carlo Tagliabue sounds a little woolly as di Luna, but the Manrico is something of a discovery - Gino Penno. He is a bit in the Mario del Monaco/ Franco Corelli mould, but it's an exciting tenor sound. Giuseppe Modesti, a name I'm only familiar with in comprimario roles at La Scala, is a sound Ferrando. I'm a little surprised that the prompter doesn't get a credit, as he makes some notable contributions!  Undecided
Votto knows his way around the score and gives it plenty of drama. For 72p, I strongly recommend it!!  Cheesy
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