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Author Topic: Il Trovatore - your all-star cast?  (Read 2737 times)
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« Reply #45 on: 18:47:25, 25-10-2007 »

O go for it.  I get the impression that Verona productions are not considered that, well, sophisticated.  Cynics might say that is all a melodrama like Trovatore needs.  But as this whole thread (which I have been fascinated to read) demonstrates, it is a work that can take the highest degree of artistry and passion.

I would definitely go for something more refined - but if it is too hand, why not?  If you find it too silly for words, then do give it another chance with another recording.

I think you do need to work out the basic plot first - as Ruth implies it is not as silly as its reputation might lead you to expect.  No need to follow every word.
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« Reply #46 on: 23:23:16, 25-10-2007 »

Is that the 1985 Verona recording conducted by Giovaninetti?  If so, I think Rosalind Plowright's a terrific Leonora.  Plus you've got the full monty stereotypical "Di quella pira" with - if I recall correctly - full encore Wink Thank you, Franco Bonisolli (not the most charismatic performer but he generally delivers the goods in my opinion).

I haven't watched it for years (you've just brought my attention to the fact that I have a ridiculous number of VHS opera videos which I never watch) so can't remember it in great detail, but the rest of the cast is Cossotto as Azucena, Zancanaro as di Luna, and Paolo Washington as Ferrando.
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« Reply #47 on: 00:45:58, 26-10-2007 »

Yes, Anna, I agree with Don B and Ruth - real red-blooded drama, good cast, playing to the gallery. Great atmosphere - enjoy!

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« Reply #48 on: 09:58:10, 26-10-2007 »

There's an apocryphal Domingo story about Di Quella Pira...   apparently PD arrived in a German opera house where he was doing the piece, and heard his cover (who was singing Ruiz in the printed cast) painfully and loudly practicing the big aria in some other practice-room...  something he continued to do throughout the rehearsals. (Needless to say, this is considered somewhat tactless).  Come the last orchestral, Domingo had had enough of this, and decided to get his revenge.  In the lead-up to the Finale of that act, Domingo changed the text, and instead of singing "You go and get the army, I'll wait here",  sang "I'll go and get the army, you wait here" and promptly exited...  leaving his luckless Ruiz to sing "Di Quella Pira" to the theatre's

Following Reiner's Domingo tale, I like this little Trovatore anecdote: Azucena Will Not Sing Tonight -
http://books.google.com/books?id=UpIusDtpbVsC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=trovatore+without+azucena&source=web&ots=xieEPT0y0g&sig=2q7E5ze2ia2EnJzIomVSAMGg5tE#PPA91,M1
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« Reply #49 on: 10:33:30, 26-10-2007 »

Ah, the stuff of legend, IGI!  Excellent!  Wink
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« Reply #50 on: 09:18:06, 27-10-2007 »

The Naxos/ Cellini set arrived yesterday and I found it a very satisfying performance, in remarkably good mono sound. Jussi Bjoerling's voice had more 'heft' than I'd have imagined - thanks to ernani and S_K for recommneding him, even if I didn't get his 1939 version (yet). Leonard Warren's Luna was good - I can hear where Sherill Milnes probably got his inspiration, as there's a similar timbre to the voice. Wasn't he the baritone who collapsed and died during a performance of Forza?
Barbieri is in much fresher voice here as Azucena and I really liked Zinka Milanov's soprano. I think there's an Aida with her and Bjoerling which I may try and get some time. Naxos also found space on the second disc for half a dozen traditional Yugoslav songs she had recorded in 1944 as a bonus.

Pity there was no Tu vedrai che amore in terra for Leonora, though. I understand that this used to be cut quite often.
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« Reply #51 on: 19:07:11, 27-10-2007 »

Opilec, how did you enjoy the Serafin Trovatore?

Reiner, if we amended the rules to specify that you couldn't cast anyone you've worked with in the 'real world', who would be in your cast?!
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« Reply #52 on: 19:18:55, 27-10-2007 »

Opilec, how did you enjoy the Serafin Trovatore?

Sitting down, for the most part.  Wink

Seriously, it's a marvellous performance: just listening to it again! Good Italian recordings of this vintage really hit the spot.

BUT ... the introduction's just not the same without Take Me Out to the Ball Game! What's the old saying? Se non è Verdi, è ben Trovatore.  Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: 19:22:37, 27-10-2007 »

Sitting down, for the most part.  Wink

Seriously, it's a marvellous performance: just listening to it again! Good Italian recordings of this vintage really hit the spot.

BUT ... the introduction's just not the same without Take Me Out to the Ball Game! What's the old saying? Se non è Verdi, è ben Trovatore.  Smiley

I'm really going to have to try and see A Night at the Opera, aren't I?!  Cheesy

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« Reply #54 on: 19:31:29, 27-10-2007 »

Sitting down, for the most part.  Wink

Seriously, it's a marvellous performance: just listening to it again! Good Italian recordings of this vintage really hit the spot.

BUT ... the introduction's just not the same without Take Me Out to the Ball Game! What's the old saying? Se non è Verdi, è ben Trovatore.  Smiley

I'm really going to have to try and see A Night at the Opera, aren't I?!  Cheesy

Well, there's an admission, IGI! (to coin a phrase Wink)
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« Reply #55 on: 20:44:22, 27-10-2007 »

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Reiner, if we amended the rules to specify that you couldn't cast anyone you've worked with in the 'real world', who would be in your cast?!

I've purposely sat out of the vocal casting, IGI, although I've read it with interest! (I'm also flattered that you might think I've worked with any of the "greats" - by and large I haven't, except as a Production Assistant in the way-back-when).  I've said on these boards before that I am more interested in the "here and now" than in the world of "My Dear! But if you'd only heard Tagliabue in 1927!" Smiley  So I'd rather suggest a cast of singers we could use for a super production next year, than a "Fantasy Football" cast-from-the-past.  In fact, I'll take you at your word on the remit, but also give a "B" cast who aren't entire strangers to me... on the basis that they'll be strangers to most people outside Russia Smiley Both casts are Russian - as they're the singers I get to see & hear Smiley

"A" Cast:
Conte di Luna - either Andrzej Veletsky (fab lyric baritone at Novaya Opera in Moscow) or Evgeny Polikarpov, veteran baritone at Stanislavsky-Muzykalny, a stunning Scarpia
Leonora - here I'm going to court controversy and cast a newcomer, Anna Nechaeva from St Petersburg opera - I heard her in Traviata in September and was bowled-over, it's a stunning voice and with looks to die for, excellent acting and afraid of nothing (did the scene with Germont in a bikini). If she was a corporation I'd be suggesting you buy shares, now.
Azucena - another young performer here - Olga Berezanskaya, who is a member of Pokrovsky's troupe of "experimental opera performers" but deserves to be seen in main repertoire...  truly frightening acting. I think she'd meet even Lord Byron's criteria, but obviously as Azucena she'd not appear as she does in Carmen
Manrico - Bolshoi Theatre tenor Marat Galkiakhmetov is a young star with the right Fach for this. Ahmed Agadi is another, but he's a bit long in the tooth for the role these days, I fear
Ferrando - Novosibirsk Opera bass Andrei Kiselev would bring the gravitas needed for this role.
Ines - Zazerkale Theatre St Petersburg soprano Ludmila Shikhova.

"B" Cast
Conte di Luna - Nikola Mitich, veteran baritone at the National Opera in Belgrade, a remarkable Renato/Ankaerstrom in BALLO. Verdian singing of the "old school" to die for. Mitich is in his 60s now, but still singing superbly. Another would be Andrei Vylegzhanin, the most terrifying Rangoni you might ever see
Leonora - Ludmila Kaftaikina, from Novaya Opera, Moscow.
Azucena - I'm pushed to choose between Ksenia Vyaznikova and Svetlana Rossiyskaya, both at Helikon Opera. Vyaznikova sang the role for the Volksoper in Netherlands.
Manrico - on the basis of the Jose I heard last night, Andrei Ponamarev would be ready for this in about two years time, and that's already the period we'd be casting to have a chance of getting this lot together.  I would also consider Nikolai Dorozhkin from Helikon, although he's more lyrico than spinto...  but he's a sensible singer with excellent acting abilities and looks to make the girls melt.  He does the "big" Russian roles (Andrei/Mazeppa, Sergei/Lady Mac) very successfully. A tenor with brains, and they're pretty rare.
Ferrando - Dmitry Skorikov, a phenomenal young bass who can be seen peering through the fencing in a pic on the "Riddle me this" thread, won rave reviews for his Pimen this season, did an excellent Water Sprite in RUSALKA last year, also tap-dances and plays jazz piano (but we won't ask him to do those as Ferrando).
Ines - Marina Kalinina, from Helikon Opera.


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« Reply #56 on: 21:07:39, 27-10-2007 »

Thanks for that considered piece of casting, Reiner. It's always interesting to learn of new names/ talents that we've not had the pleasure of hearing over here. Your A list Leonora sounds as if she could be one to watch out for if she can sing Violetta so well, as I think that must be the hardest Verdi soprano role to bring off. Have you ever directed Trovatore? I'd imagine it's not a piece that directors queue up to do.

Now, about Azucena. In the programme note the other night, the synopsis began with the events which lead up to the opera's first scene, concluding with the statement, 'Some fifteen years have passed'...  I don't recall having seen this detail before, but wouldn't it have implications as to how Azucena is portrayed? If she's a young mother when her own mother is burned at the stake, say in her 20s, she'd not be the grizzled old hag who usually appears on stage, would she, when the opera proper begins? Mind you, I'm not sure about a fifteen year old Manrico either!
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« Reply #57 on: 21:28:07, 27-10-2007 »

David Kimbell (in the Viking Opera Guide) puts those events 20 years previously.
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« Reply #58 on: 21:45:14, 27-10-2007 »

Have you ever directed Trovatore? I'd imagine it's not a piece that directors queue up to do.

That pleasure has so far eluded me Smiley  I can't say I am excessively sorry about it, either  Grin   There aren't very many productions of the piece anyhow - probably exactly because of the difficulty of casting it.  Whilst you can do an exciting and inventive "Carmen" with young voices, you'd never get away with it with Trovatore - so it rarely turns up outside the major houses (except for those "where fools rush in...").   Another factor is that since the cast of TROV will be (a) highly-strung egotists who have already done the piece a squillion times and intend on doing "what they always do" (b) "n/a" for everything except the final week of rehearsals (except for the mornings, afternoons and evenings of that week) (c) have agents who have to be "consulted" about what costume, wig, dressing-room, taxi service, etc their artiste must have,  the "director" mostly becomes the "directed", and anyone who has any firm ideas about "making something" of the show will find themselves blocked at every turn.  This isn't an exaggeration - try finding a Pinkerton these days who will agree to NOT including "Addio, fiorito usil"?
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« Reply #59 on: 01:02:48, 28-10-2007 »

Seriously, it's a marvellous performance: just listening to it again! Good Italian recordings of this vintage really hit the spot.

And here's a short news clip of it being recorded in 1962! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqUX2uIBP1M
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