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Author Topic: Il Trovatore - your all-star cast?  (Read 2737 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 17:08:32, 24-10-2007 »

I have to say I love Il Trovatore.  (I am no great shakes as a voice fancier.)

I was originally drawn to it because it just seemed to silly: the sort of creaky melodrama held together by improbabilities and coincidences that give opera libretti a bad name, with catchy tunes and unashamed vocal display.

The extraordinary thing is the way every scene is more or less based on the formal slow/fast format.  The persuasive formalism of the structure appears to express the way all four principals are completely off their chumps, totally psychotic in all probability.  Maybe the invariability of the cabaletta (and how terrifyingly exciting they are) goes with the compulsive disorder of the characters.

There are two points where you don't get the cabaletta - Azucena doesn't have a solo one.  The Big Act 2 finale only has the slow movement (IIRC) without the fast stretta usual at that point.

I saw it with Sutherland and Mr Sutherland in the pit at ROH, and  the Act 1 Scene 2 trio was taken so fast the principals couldn't keep up.

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« Reply #16 on: 20:47:06, 24-10-2007 »

If the four (or five) greatest singers are unavailable, three of the world's greatest comedians can also enhance the experience.  Wink


Grin You beat me to it Opi! I immediately thought of them when I saw the title of this thread!

I'm adding another vote for Jussi. Just been listening to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E26oZC5C7us
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« Reply #17 on: 22:20:39, 24-10-2007 »

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When her muscles start relaxin',
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with a view of Niagara that nobody has.
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She once swept an Admiral clear off his feet.
The ships on her hips made his heart skip a beat.
And now the old boy's in command of the fleet,
for he went and married Lydia!

I said Lydia...
(He said Lydia...)
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« Reply #18 on: 00:27:55, 25-10-2007 »

presumably it comes with just a synopsis?  Sad


I find it's best not to know too much about what's actually going on in this opera Wink
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« Reply #19 on: 00:30:06, 25-10-2007 »

presumably it comes with just a synopsis?  Sad


I find it's best not to know too much about what's actually going on in this opera Wink

Er, I can think of quite a few operas of which that could be said!  Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: 09:59:29, 25-10-2007 »

Indeed - the plot makes more sense (in the strictly logical sense) than, say, HMS Pinafore.

It also fails miserably to win the title of "Opera with Most Far-Fetched Locational Coincidences" (also known as the "Good Heavens, Fancy Seeing You Here!" Award), being comprehensively beaten by La forza del destino.  Second place is jointly taken by many of Donizetti's lesser-known works.

Also, at least Manrico - having been told that the fire is even now being lit beneath his mother - still manages to get there in time to save her, despite pausing to sing an aria, with a repeat, and historically often with an encore as well.

Donizetti's Pia de'Tolomei is not so lucky.  She is falsely accused of adultery and ends up imprisoned in a tower in the middle of a poisonous swamp (yes really).  Her husband sends her a phial of poison with the instruction to do herself in.  Of course he then finds out that she wasn't unfaithful after all (thanks to - if I recall correctly - a deathbed confession by the baddie) and rushes to save her - pausing, of course, to sing an "Oh no, I must rush to save her" aria.  By the time he arrives where she is incarcerated she has already taken the poison and dies.

Intriguingly, there is an alternative ending to the piece in which the husband gets there in time to prevent her taking the poison, and all ends happily.  The Opera Rara disc contains, I believe, both versions (in their live performance at the Royal Festival Hall a few years ago they did the tragic ending, then used the happy one - a joyful soprano aria - as an encore).  What I have never managed to find out is whether the husband's "Oh no, I must rush to save her" aria is omitted from one version, thereby saving vital minutes and deciding the outcome Wink
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« Reply #21 on: 10:33:34, 25-10-2007 »

'No opera plot can be 'sensible', because people don't sing when they're being 'sensible''. (W. H. Auden)  Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: 10:45:56, 25-10-2007 »

Indeed - the plot makes more sense (in the strictly logical sense) than, say, HMS Pinafore.


As Gilbert was sending up the brothers mixed up at birth and now moving in different social circles gambit from Trovatore (and did so again in The Gondoliers.)

It is a pity that so many G & S enthusiasts in the past haven't realised the operatic references.
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« Reply #23 on: 10:53:22, 25-10-2007 »

Also, at least Manrico - having been told that the fire is even now being lit beneath his mother - still manages to get there in time to save her, despite pausing to sing an aria, with a repeat, and historically often with an encore as well.

There's an apocryphal Domingo story about Di Quella Pira...   apparently PD arrived in a German opera house where he was doing the piece, and heard his cover (who was singing Ruiz in the printed cast) painfully and loudly practicing the big aria in some other practice-room...  something he continued to do throughout the rehearsals. (Needless to say, this is considered somewhat tactless).  Come the last orchestral, Domingo had had enough of this, and decided to get his revenge.  In the lead-up to the Finale of that act, Domingo changed the text, and instead of singing "You go and get the army, I'll wait here",  sang "I'll go and get the army, you wait here" and promptly exited...  leaving his luckless Ruiz to sing "Di Quella Pira" to the theatre's management, who were all seated on the Production Desk   Grin

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It is a pity that so many G & S enthusiasts in the past haven't realised the operatic references.

I don't think one should brush all G&S fans with the same tar Wink
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« Reply #24 on: 11:08:20, 25-10-2007 »

As Gilbert was sending up the brothers mixed up at birth and now moving in different social circles gambit from Trovatore (and did so again in The Gondoliers.)
Yes, but in "Pinafore" you've got the additional layer of impossibility surrounding the character's ages.  Nursemaid mixes babies up at birth.  Some years later, Baby 1 is a youth seeking Baby 2's daughter's hand in marriage, while Baby 2's love interest is the nursemaid Huh

(In Gondoliers the only glaring anomaly - unless I've missed something - is the mathematical error in the quintet just prior to the finale.)

Even now, after 11 years of intensive operagoing and 19 years of familiarity with G&S, I still spot things and think "So that's where Gilbert, or Sullivan, got that idea from!"
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« Reply #25 on: 11:20:09, 25-10-2007 »

Ruth - you're quite right about the ages in Pinafore.  Also the class thing (if I may mention to subject.)  Josephine as a Captain's daughter cannot marry a humble tar.  Ralph, once he is a captain, can marry a humble tar's daughter.  And since when have captaincies in the Royal Navy, however class ridden, been hereditary?

The plot is an utter muddle, isn't it?  I think Gilbert became a defter plotter as he went on.

Come in, Tony W.  We're waiting to hear.

Leonora would appear to be falling below her station in attaching herself to a gypsy, but I can't remember the issue being raised.
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« Reply #26 on: 12:30:27, 25-10-2007 »

Back to the casting…I’ve now auditioned several singers, some more than once, and come up with the following cast-sheet:

Manrico – Placido Domingo
Leonora – Renata Tebaldi
Conte di Luna – Ettore Bastianini
Azucena – Agnes Baltsa
Ferrando – Evgeny Nesterenko

La Scala Orchestra conducted by Tullio Serafin

Here are a few thoughts on how I came up with the above!

Ferrando – Tozzi, Nesterenko and D’Arcangelo are, for me, the best story-tellers here, really painting the horror of the tale, although the latter sounds a little too young, at present, to have been the Count’s old retainer, so I’ve gone with the Russian.

Azucena – I’m not actually a huge fan of the voices of Barbieri or Simionato (ducks for cover!) Barbieri’s voice sounds rather worn by the time of her EMI/Karajan recording of 1957, although there is a supposedly ‘live’ one from RAI on Arkadia from the same year in which she is helped by faster tempi under conductor Fernando Prevatali. Fiorenza Cossotto’s interpretation is outstanding, but those who have heard only her RCA/Mehta account really should try and hear the DG/Serafin version; in the RCA, she ‘veils’/’covers’ her voice somewhat (probably due to Mehta’s tempi/ lack of thrust) whereas for DG she’s in fresher voice, with thrilling top notes which pin you to the back of your chair!
I would like to hear Shirley Verrett in the role; she did record it ‘as a special favour’ to Pavarotti in the 90s when, by all accounts, she was past her best (and some reviews suggest she should have declined the offer). Another Azucena I’d have liked to hear is that of Agnes Baltsa. She was one of the few singers to refuse Karajan, who offered the role at Salzburg, but she declined. I believe she sang it later in her career. She recorded the Part II scene/duet with José Carreras as Manrico which offers a tantalising glimpse of what her Azucena would have been like and, on that basis plus her thrilling Eboli and Amneris, she’s my ‘left-field’ choice for Manrico’s mum!

There are some interesting thoughts here from Baltsa in an interview from 2003: http://www.greekembassy.org/embassy/Content/en/Article.aspx?office=3&folder=418&article=12198

Di Luna – An easy choice for me – if anyone has recorded the role better than Ettore Bastianini, then I’d like to hear him! ‘A voice of bronze and velvet’ is the subtitle of a biography and I’d concur with that. It’s important for di Luna to be presented not as a monster, but a nobleman madly in love with Leonora. His thirst for revenge against Azucena is entirely understandable and he is surely the real tragic figure in this opera – thwarted at every turn (the duel, the convent, the prison) and even has his brief moment of triumph at the end snatched away from him at the end. Giorgio Zancanaro does a very good job for Giulini – his is not an immediately attractive voice (it can be a bit gritty) but he uses his voice with intelligence. Sherill Milnes was a very good Verdian baritone – nice legato and sense of line, but I find there’s nothing particularly distinctive about his di Luna, it being identical to his other Verdi roles. Thomas Hampson is the di Luna for Pappano on EMI and I find it a mannered portrayal. There have been times when I’ve liked some of his Verdi portrayals – Ford, Macbeth – but on the whole, and I realise I risk Operacat’s wrath here, I don’t think he’s a Verdi baritone. I don’t especially like Rolando Panerai’s voice. On stage, Hvorostovsky is the best di Luna I have seen (his account is on DVD from the ROH) and I’d happily have him cover the role!

Manrico – I think this is more a case of what you want from a Manrico – thrills and spills à la Mario del Monaco or Franco Corelli, or elegance and grace from the likes of Carlo Bergonzi or, from the little I’ve heard, Jussi Bjoerling. (I’ve ordered the Cellini set on Naxos, btw). It’s been said that in Traviata, you need three different Violettas, one for each act; well, I wonder if I could have two Manricos – one to sing Ah si ben mio, and another to sing Di quella pira?! In the end, I’ve gone for Domingo as a compromise candidate – there’s plenty of power there, when needed, but also the elegant phrasing of Ah si, ben mio.

Leonora – I think we’re a little spoilt for choice here. Leontyne Price, cast by a few posters here, has a regal bearing and is alert to the drama. I think Angela Gheorghiu has a very fine voice for Verdi roles, although she is heard to better effect on her Verdi Arias disc conducted by Chailly rather than the Pappano set. Antonietta Stella shouldn’t be discounted – in any other era, without Callas, Tebaldi, Milanov, Scotto, Price etc, her career would surely have had a higher profile. Rosalind Plowright was another excellent Leonora and I look forward to hearing Zinka Milanov. Callas? Possibly. In the end though, for her aristocratic bearing, wonderful phrasing and her gorgeous, creamy tone, I’d want to cast Renata Tebaldi in the role.

Conductor – I like Swan_Knight’s suggestion that Lamberto Gardelli would be very fine in this. I’d certainly want an Italian conductor and orchestra, although I do find Carlo Maria Giulini's account frustratingly laboured. I haven’t heard Muti, who I’d imagine would drive the music forward well, and ernani’s suggestion of Abbado would also be in the running. Ultimately, I’d want that wily old fox Tullio Serafin, who gives the DG recording plenty of blood and thunder, which Trovatore needs.

Feel free to disagree. I think favourite singers/ voices are a very personal, subjective topic and it’s good to have one’s preferences challenged. Who knows, in a month’s time I could come up with a different cast entirely!
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« Reply #27 on: 12:42:20, 25-10-2007 »

Wow. You opera nuts are an impressive bunch! I don't feel at all qualified to contribute to this; but, in addition to cast and conductor, I'd love to know who you'd prefer to direct 'your' show, and perhaps which would be the ideal venue...  Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: 12:46:01, 25-10-2007 »

I'd love to know who you'd prefer to direct 'your' show,

And design, costume and light it too, please?   Smiley

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« Reply #29 on: 12:47:19, 25-10-2007 »

I would plump strongly for a 'realistic' (though that doesn't necessarily mean 'conservative') production, in the hands of Zefirelli (sp.?)

Given how good his CG Macbeth from years ago was, you'd have thought Moshinsky would have come up with the goods here, but apparently not, if word is to be believed....

I'd go for an Italian producer (to go with the orchestra and conductor), though Patrice Chereau might be interesting...

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