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« Reply #30 on: 12:48:10, 25-10-2007 » |
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Well, martle, we could all decamp to Milan and I'd be interested to see what Reiner would do with this cast! (Love his anecdote about Domingo, btw). Failing that, I have great admiration for Nicholas Hytner and am looking forward to his new ROH Don Carlos next year. No idea re design, costume and lighting, reiner. I realise a lot of Trovatore takes place at night, but I don't want it so dark that you struggle to see the cast (as happens on at least one DVD I've seen)!
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« Reply #31 on: 12:48:45, 25-10-2007 » |
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I'd love to know who you'd prefer to direct 'your' show,
And design, costume and light it too, please? Reiner, you can certainly appoint yourself if you'd like.
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« Reply #32 on: 12:56:43, 25-10-2007 » |
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A lovely idea, Martle, but the cast listed above is so starry that they could only ever be brought together for about 3 days before the opening night... they'd all send their deputies to rehearse!! (Sad but true. I know a bloke whose job is to attend "a famous baritone's" rehearsals for him). Not my way of working!
No, for a classic like this you'll need a big-name producer whose name will strike awe in even this cast, so that they actually bother to turn-up for rehearsals. Zefirelli is the most obvious contender, I would have thought?!
Failing that, since I have kept schtumm during "casting", I would nominate Nicholas Hytner to direct, David Fielding to design, and Paul Pyant to light it. The venue - The Winter Theatre in Sochi (newly refurbed at a cost of squillions) and the occasion - the opening of the Sochi Winter Olympics.
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #33 on: 12:57:46, 25-10-2007 » |
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Given how good his CG Macbeth from years ago was, you'd have thought Moshinsky would have come up with the goods here, but apparently not, if word is to be believed....
It wasn't an entire disaster. The sets had a 'Fellini' feel to them and were quite impressive, but the set changes took so long (a good five minutes each) that the tension flagged. It's probably best viewed on the OpusArte DVD - Hvorostovsky and (to a lesser extent, Cura) on good form, Veronica Villarroel less so.
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« Reply #34 on: 13:08:51, 25-10-2007 » |
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IGI - doesn't it matter to have a tenor capable of singing "Di quella pira" in C as written?
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« Reply #35 on: 13:17:57, 25-10-2007 » |
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I realise a lot of Trovatore takes place at night, but I don't want it so dark that you struggle to see the cast (as happens on at least one DVD I've seen)!
I had exactly that in mind when I added my "prompt" for designer & lighting-designer It might be that the transfer to dvd on the disk you have hasn't been achieved well? To get ideal lighting balance on a dvd it really needs to be "shot for dvd" in the first place (ie without the public present, so that you can get a rostrum camera onto the stage and shoot super-quality close-up in-cuts) and lit accordingly. The "result" will then "look like it looked in the theatre". However, the economics of a long multi-camera, multi-take video shoot with a cast whose fees are measured using gas-pump gauges militate against such an operation in most cases. The human eye remains a far more subtle and sensitive instrument than any piece of plasma yet devised, and can cope with nuances of lighting that utterly defeat the small screen It always surprises me how little interest is paid to the work of the lighting designer? If I had a budget of next-to-nothing, I would scrap scenery entirely and spend every penny available on good lighting. You can love or hate Peter Sellars, but watch the lighting in his shows? It's always fabulous, because he understands how important it is. There's no excuse for poor lighting, because the equipment and the crew is all there anyhow... if a director fails to utilise superb resources, then only he is to blame. It's very rare to see good lighting credited in a review? I sat through a TSARSKAYA NEVESTA last week and the friends with me commented that it "seemed a bit monotonous"? I drew their attention to the fact that the lighting hadn't changed even ONCE from beginning to end... Paul Pyant is the best in the business
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« Reply #36 on: 13:26:59, 25-10-2007 » |
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Very good point about the lighting. The production I had in mind was quite old - either the Met or Vienna in pre-DVD days which affects the quality on screen. Certainly the Moshinsky production at the ROH, with lighting by Howard Harrison, comes across well.
Ruth, a good point about Di quella pira, and the role of Manrico was the most difficult to cast. I do think that too much critical judgment of the role (and, indeed, a whole performance of Trov) can rest on how well the tenor copes at the end of this one cabaletta. I've just realised that I didn't even consider Pavarotti - probably as I've not heard either of his CD accounts - but he's also provide a good option, less so on the dramatic front, however.
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« Reply #37 on: 13:32:02, 25-10-2007 » |
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IGI - doesn't it matter to have a tenor capable of singing "Di quella pira" in C as written?
Interesting points Ruth and IGI. Cura doesn't sing 'Di quella pira' in C, and Domingo commonly took it down at least a semi-tone and often a tone in live performance. Even in his studio recordings under Mehta, Giulini and Levine which are sung in C, the high C does not sound comfortable or produced without some considerable effort. Having said that, there is more to Manrico than a high C! Still, it is interesting to compare tenors like Cura and Domingo, who are somewhat 'short' at the top of the range, with those like Bjorling and Corelli, for whom C (and higher) was not a problem. Corelli's live Salzburg recording sounds to me like it is taken down a semi-tone. And the only live recording where Bjorling sings the aria in C is at Covent Garden in 1939, the others he takes down a semi-tone too. Perhaps all that matters is a good, robust 'high note' that pings over chorus and orchestra, sung whilst brandising a sword and assuming a heroic pose! The actual pitch of the note is secondary given the excitement a fine performance of the piece can generate.
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« Reply #38 on: 13:47:16, 25-10-2007 » |
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I think that "held top C" at the end (which I think is awful, personally - quite apart from holding a C through alternating C-maj and G-maj chords??) has become the sine qua non of Manrico's role... which strikes me as daft, as it's the one note of the role Verdi never wrote If the "top C moment" is kept just for "teeee-co..." in the second verse, there's no reason to transpose the aria for comfort's sake... any decent tenor should be able to get there from a G, especially since the moment invites portamento to assist the process. But the public "will have their top C", and anyone who doesn't do it now will be hissed... all part of turning opera into a kind of circus act in which the double-backwards somersault through the fiery hoop is obligatory twice-nightly As observed above, this remains the best production http://youtube.com/watch?v=PmfbyGvvh-A
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« Reply #39 on: 13:57:38, 25-10-2007 » |
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The performers in this production, however, succeed in acting more realistically and naturally than most others: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PmfbyGvvh-A
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« Reply #40 on: 14:01:18, 25-10-2007 » |
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I think that "held top C" at the end (which I think is awful, personally - quite apart from holding a C through alternating C-maj and G-maj chords??) has become the sine qua non of Manrico's role... which strikes me as daft, as it's the one note of the role Verdi never wrote But it's great fun if it's done with sufficient brio BTW, didn't Verdi say to a famous tenor (Tamagno perhaps?) that he could sing the C 'so long as it was a good one'?
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« Reply #41 on: 14:07:52, 25-10-2007 » |
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'so long as it was a good one'?
That's never put off a tenor yet
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« Reply #42 on: 14:12:52, 25-10-2007 » |
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But it's great fun if it's done with sufficient brio BTW, didn't Verdi say to a famous tenor (Tamagno perhaps?) that he could sing the C 'so long as it was a good one'? And I've been told first-hand by a tenor with an excellent high C how unsatisfying it is to be forbidden from performing it by a conductor (*cough*Richard Armstrong*cough*) with a penchant for authenticity.
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« Reply #43 on: 14:21:59, 25-10-2007 » |
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"What was that? High C or vitamin D?" (Marx)
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« Reply #44 on: 18:10:05, 25-10-2007 » |
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Not a fantasy Trovatore, but I get two (usually opera) dvds on rental a month. The next one one on my list is Il Trovatore by Arena di Verona. Shall I stick with this (not knowing the Opera well) or go for a different production of it?
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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