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« on: 18:36:41, 08-04-2008 »

On another thread Il Grande Inquisitore said:

I have now given the Opera Rara ‘Don Carlos’ a proper listen and made a few notes and comparisons on the recording. Alongside the new Matheson set, I listened to extracts from the La Scala/ Abbado and Paris/ Pappano sets. As the opera unfolded, I became increasingly frustrated/ disappointed at how random those two sets are, compared to the Matheson, in terms of which version to use in different scenes. With the Opera Rara issue, you get absolutely everything Verdi composed for ‘Don Carlos’ prior to its first performance, even the material he cut after the rehearsals because the performances would have gone on well after midnight.

In Act I, the ‘Fontainebleu’ act, we have the opening orchestral prelude and a ten minute choral scene, which Abbado has as an appendix; Pappano only has the revised two/three minute episode before Carlos arrives. The Carlos of André Turp seems ideal; Domingo for Abbado has, for me, too heroic a timbre for the role. Alagna, for Pappano, has a better suited tone, but almost seems too earnest in ‘Je l’ai vue’. Turp and Edith Tremblay, Elisabeth, duet well together in a reading more urgent than on the rival sets.

In the opening of Act II we hear the Monk of Robert Lloyd, sounding much more impressive than either of his counterparts. When Posa arrives, he has a short solo, ‘Pour ce noble pays’, which only appears on the Pappano set. Abbado’s choice of version for this Posa-Carlos scene is Verdi’s final revision, familiar from any Italian version of the opera; Nucci sounds bland, as a few of us have previously commented – when trying to induce drama, he invariably sounds hectoring in a Dietrich Fischer-Diskau manner. André Turp and Robert Savoie begin the famous part of the duet with beautifully hushed tones.

There are big changes in the famous Philippe-Posa duet. Posa’s ‘Pour mon pays’, also in the Pappano, is a short, French-style march describing the conditions in Flanders. The cabaletta is different too. At this point, Pappano switches to the 1884 revision and has Posa’s familiar appeal to the king, and Philippe’s sinister warnings about the Inquisition. The original version of the duet is more lyrical in style, but ultimately less effective.

In Act III, we have the original chorus and scene between Elisabeth and Eboli, where they swap masks so the queen can go and pray. Abbado has this scene in an appendix, Pappano has a shortened version, minus a verse. The ballet, ‘La Pelegrina’ follows in full. The BBC Singers do a good job at the auto-da-fé, which Verdi didn’t revise at all.

Act IV opens with Philippe’s famous aria ‘Elle ne m’aime pas’/ ‘Ella giammai m’amo’. This made for interesting listening. When I saw the WNO version, I remember being surprised that the opening cello theme was played not by a solo cello, but by a group. Matheson and Abbado also have the cellos playing, with only Pappano opting for solo cello. Julian Budden, in his authoritative three volume ‘The Operas of Verdi’, refers only to solo cello, so I wonder why the different options conductors have taken? I don’t have a score, but wonder if Verdi is ambiguous in his choice of instrumentation. Joseph Rouleau is not a larger than life, imposing Philippe, in the manner of a Boris Christoff (but then, who is?!) but is totally in the role and conveys the introspective side of the character well. I rather like José Van Dam, for Pappano, here, for the world-weary, broken man Philippe appears to have become by this point. Richard Van Allan is a superb inquisitor and matches Rouleau blow for blow. I prefer it to the Ruggero Raimondi/ Nicolai Ghiaurov combination for Abbado, who were better, I felt, in the reverse roles for Karajan’s recording of the four act Italian version.

When Elisabeth rushes in, claiming her jewel casket has been stolen, her short solo in different to what we are used to, appearing on neither rival set. The original version of the quartet is very different – Philippe’s opening phrases and Eboli’s verse are entirely different, whilst Posa’s and Elisabeth’s will be familiar. The quartet goes in an entirely different direction and is much more florid. I can’t help feeling that the revision Verdi made is more successful and concise.

The duet between Elisabeth and Eboli, on Abbado as an appendix, is almost entirely missed out by Pappano. In this version, Eboli explains not only that she loves Carlos, but that she’s committed adultery with the king. In this version, it is Lerma, and not the queen, who comes to take Eboli’s cross and gives her the choice between exile and a nunnery.

The Eboli of Michelle Vilma is pleasant without having the knock-out punch in ‘Ô don fatal’ of a Cossotto or a Baltsa. Neither Lucia Valentini-Terrani or Waltraud Meier are anywhere near being in that league and are not as comfortable in the role as Vilma.

Matheson has the original duet for Carlos and Philippe after Posa has been killed, which Verdi later used in the Lacrymosa of the Requiem. I think this is the best music Verdi discarded in later revisions; it’s the only time father and son really get to sing together. Rouleau and Turp perform well here. There is a short expansion in the Insurrection scene beyond what Pappano gives us, and doesn’t appear at all in Abbado – there are extra lines for Philippe and Elisabeth to sing as Eboli and the mob arrive.

Edith Tremblay is in impressive form in ‘Toi qui sus le néant des grandeurs de ce monde’. Act V has the full version of the finale, which often sounds quite perfunctory in the revised version, almost as if Verdi were in an exam and the invigilator announced ‘five minutes to go – make sure you finish’! This expanded finale appears in the appendix for Abbado, but not on Pappano’s version at all.

The performance was recorded in front of ‘an invited audience’ at the Camden Theatre; they must have been quite selective because, from the sound of the applause, there weren’t a huge number of people there. The acoustic is a little more reverberant than I would like, though not enough to spoil my enjoyment at all.

I thoroughly enjoyed Matheson’s Opera Rara performance and no Verdian should be without it, as it contains all of Verdi’s original ideas. I wouldn’t recommend it as a listener’s sole version, as many of those ideas were improved upon in later versions, but I think it represents a more satisfying solution that either Abbado or Pappano, whose choices vary erratically, at times, between different revisions of the score, almost as if they can’t make up their minds what they want to be. All the singers, native and non-native, seem comfortable in their French diction and well suited to their respective roles. Definitely a set to sit back and revel in, I think. Hope this has been a useful retrospective.

[Hope we haven't gone too far off-topic, Don B. Perhaps the mods might want to move this to a new Don Carlo(s) thread??]

Any more thoughts on this greatest of political operas?
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« Reply #1 on: 18:44:47, 08-04-2008 »

Thanks for moving this across to a new thread, Don B. Whichever version is used, I think that Don Carlos is one of Verdi's greatest operas and the one in which I probably have more versions than his other operas. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Nicholas Hytner does with it at the ROH later this year.
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« Reply #2 on: 22:09:35, 08-04-2008 »

Thank you for posting this, IGI.

Thoughts: for me, Don Carlos is one of the greatest of all operas.  In any half-decent performance it has a grandeur and a sweep and a sense of cumulative power that I find in almost no other opera (including Wagner, where the cumulative power is of a very different variety).  I think I've mentioned this here before, but the first occasion when the opera that I had heard around the house since infancy really grabbed me was a live relay of this opera from La Scala, when I was transfixed by the Phillippe-Inquisitor scene in Act 4.

For me, it has to be the five-act version.  At the dramatic core of the work, IMO, are the three great Carlos-Elizabeth duets.  In the Fontainebleau forest, we see the flowering of young love, full of fantasy; in the second act, Carlos' desperation against Elizabeth's containment of her feeling, her obligations as wife and Queen overpowering her emotions; and in the final act, that extraordinary farewell duet in which Carlos and Elizabeth, now with the wisdom of experience, bowing to the inevitable in what is to me some of the most deeply affecting lyrical music that Verdi ever wrote.  Without that first duet, the structure falls apart; there is no context for what follows. 

As far as the original French version is concerned, my recollection is that the 1983 performances at Covent Garden, conducted by Haitink with, IIRC, Thomas Allen and Robert Lloyd as Rodrigue and Phillippe respectively, were pretty nearly complete and ran for about five hours.  I would certainly miss the revisions Verdi made to the Rodrigue-Phillippe duet at the end of Act 2, which seems to me to be much more effective in the final version; and I have a very soft spot for the little prelude to Act 3 which replaced the scene with the masks.

Recordings:  I have Giulini (who gives a masterclass in how to conduct this work), Solti (who doesn't, but has a peerless cast - Tebaldi, Bergonzi, Bumbry, Fischer-Dieskau, Ghiaurov, Talvela), Abbado and Pappano.  It's a work that has innumerable facets and of which one can never tire.

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« Reply #3 on: 23:28:51, 08-04-2008 »

Thanks for those memories, pw. I was unaware that the ROH had done the French version before the Pappano/Alagna/Mattila one. I regret never seeing the old ROH Visconti production.

Confession time! I adore this opera in whatever version it's performed in and have far too many recordings of it. Here's the line-up on my shelves:

Four act Don Carlo:

*Mario Filippeschi, Antonietta Stella, Boris Christoff, Tito Gobbi, Elena Nicolai, Guilio Neri; Orchestra del Teatro dell'Opera di Roma/ Gabriele Santini (EMI)
Anita Cerquetti, Ettore Bastianini, Cesare Siepi, Angelo Lo Forese, Fedora Barbieri, Giulio Neri; Orchestra del Maggio Musicale Fiorentino/ Antonino Votto 1956 (live)
*Eugenio Fernandi, Sena Jurinac, Cesare Siepi, Ettore Bastianini, Giulietta Simionato, Marco Stefanoni; Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra/ Herbert von Karajan 1958 (Salzburg live, DG)
*Jose Carreras, Mirella Freni, Nicolai Ghiaurov, Piero Cappuccilli, Agnes Baltsa, Ruggero Raimondi; Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra/ Herbert von Karajan (EMI)
*Luciano Pavarotti, Samuel Ramey, Daniela Dessi, Luciana d'Intino, Paolo Coni; Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala/ Riccardo Muti (EMI, live)

Some good performances here, although the 1958 Salzburg suffers from cuts. The later Karajan has some thrilling singing, but too often the orchestra drowns out the vocal performances!

Five act versions in Italian:

*Jon Vickers, Gre Brouwenstijn, Boris Christoff, Tito Gobbi, Fedora Barbieri, Michael Langdon; Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden/ Carlo Maria Giulini 1958 (live)
*Flaviano Labo, Antonietta Stella, Boris Christoff, Ettore Bastianini, Fiorenza Cossotto, Ivo Vinco; Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala/ Gabriele Santini (DG)
*Carlo Bergonzi, Renata Tebaldi, Nicolai Ghiaurov, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Grace Bumbry, Martti Talvela; Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden/ Georg Solti (Decca)
*Placido Domingo, Montserrat Caballe, Ruggero Raimondi,  Sherrill Milnes, Shirley Verrett, Giovanni Foiani; Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden/ Carlo Maria Giulini (EMI)
*Richard Margison, Galina Gorchakova, Roberto Scandiuzzi, Dmitri Hvorostovsky, Olga Borodina, Robert Lloyd; Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden/ Bernard Haitink (Philips)

Many, many fine performances here, not least Christoff as Philip and Bastianini as Posa, both unbeatable. The 1963 DG was the first studio recording of the 5 act version.

Five act versions in French:

*Joseph Rouleau, Andre Turp, Robert Savoie, Edith Tremblay, Michelle Vilma; BBC Concert Orchestra/ John Matheson (French, Opera Rara, live)
*Placido Domingo, Katia Ricciarelli, Ruggero Raimondi, Leo Nucci, Lucia Valentini Terrani, Nicolai Ghiaurov; Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala/ Claudio Abbado (French, DG)
*Roberto Alagna, Karita Mattila, Jose Van Dam, Thomas Hampson, Waltraud Meier, Eric Halfvarson; Orchestre de Paris/ Antonio Pappano (French version, live, EMI)
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« Reply #4 on: 16:03:32, 09-04-2008 »

IGI, another that you might enjoy is the live Met broadcast from 1950 that inaugurated the Bing era. It's available on various labels and features Jussi Bjorling, Robert Merrill, Cesare Siepi, Fedora Barbieri, Jerome Hines and Delia Rigal, conducted by Fritz Steidry - quite a line up.
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« Reply #5 on: 09:47:11, 11-04-2008 »

Princess Eboli was a real historical figure, who wore an eyepatch - having apparently lost an eye in a duel.  I await a stage production that reproduces this slice of history.




Well, pw, here’s an eyepatched Eboli! She’s from the Peter Konwitschny production at the Staatsoper, Vienna in 2004 and an enthralling production it is. I watched it for the first time last night (from my DVD rental list).

The production is controversial in several ways. Musically, it’s very strong indeed, probably ahead of the Pappano La Monnaie production. This, too, is the French version and more complete than anything we’ve seen on DVD before, similar to the WNO version from not so long ago. Bertrand de Billy is in the pit.

The Fontainebleu act is set against a simple black starlit night; the action in the subsequent acts takes place in a large white box which contains lots of small doors through which Konwitschny can get a chorus through quickly. Costumes are a mixture of modern and stylised period clothing. This stark background certainly helps to focus attention on the characters and they are portrayed with a great deal of insight. Key to a lot of the action is Eboli – she’s clearly infatuated with Don Carlos from the start, and I’m fairly sure she suspects what the queen is up to. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was she who alerted Philippe to Elisabeth being alone in the garden. After the exchange of masks, it’s time for the ballet, but no Pellegrina here – no, what we get is Eboli’s Dream: a fantasy, set in modern times, in which Eboli and Carlos are married and they invite Philippe and Elisabeth round for dinner. Carlos is a weary businessman just home from work, complete with briefcase, Eboli is clearly expecting their first child. Disaster strikes when Eboli burns the chicken so they have to send out for pizzas, which come delivered by Rodrigue (Posa’s Pizzas!) The in-laws bring gifts for the baby – giant teddy and a cot – and all works out in the end. Bizarre in the extreme, but very funny and congratulations to the cast for pulling it off.  

The affair between Philippe and Eboli is made even more crucial to the action as Eboli is present throughout the first scene of Act IV – Philippe sings his Elle ne m’aime pas to her as she awakes from the giant white cushions where they slept, their clothes from the night before scattered around the stage. When the Grand Inquisitor arrives – a truly terrifying portrayal from Simon Yang – she tries to leave, but he is standing on her dress!



Her reactions and the interplay between her and Philippe as the Inquisitor reveals his demands are telling. At the height of Ô don fatale, Eboli smashes something (I couldn’t see what) into her face causing the bloody wound to her eye – hence the eyepatch in the insurrection scene. Najda Michael plays Eboli – it’s the first time I’ve seen her and suffice to say, I was deeply impressed.



Alistair Miles is Philippe – very good indeed; he has always struck me as a convincing actor and sings strongly and sensitively. The applause after his Act IV aria is well deserved. Most touching is the little scene with Carlos after Posa has been shot – later cut, of course, and used as the Lacrymosa in the Requiem. If I could restore anything to the later Italian version, it would be this, the only really significant exchange between father and son in the whole opera.

The auto-da-fé is another odd staging, which brought some booing from the Vienna audience. A video screen above the stage provides a ‘live link’ to the foyer where the paparazzi are gathered awaiting the arrival of Philippe and co at the spectacle. There’s an Oscars style red carpet commentary on their arrival, whilst the crowds, on stage, sing the opening chorus. The guests arrive in the auditorium, from where the Herald makes his announcement before the action transfers back to the stage. Quirky, but rather fun.

Some things seemed plain silly. The monk at the start of Act II is clearly Carlos V. When Don Carlos mentions the emperor, the monk, who’s doing a spot of gardening, looks out into the auditorium with a knowing wink and taps himself on the chest, gesturing to the audience to keep quiet. He later whips his crown from his pocket and pops it onto his head to reveal to Don C that he really is his grandad!



Posa (Bo Skovhus) sings beautifully, but appears less heroic, more bookish as a character. He has his long, blonde hair scraped back in a ponytail and wears round spectacles, which Eboli knocks off his nose during their Act III confrontation, leaving him groping around on the floor for some time. He studiously makes notes whilst observing the other characters. His friendship with Carlos is real enough, though, and his big scene with Philippe very powerful, Rodrigue behaving bolder than usual, even though the original version is not as strong, I think, than Verdi’s revision.

The three Carlos-Elisabeth duets are done well, especially the one in Fontainebleu. She really does have to think carefully before accepting Philippe’s proposal and, right from the start, it’s clear she’s not going into the marriage willingly; she has to be forced into her dress at the end of the act and her words of consolation to the Duchess of Aremberg, when she is dismissed back to France in Act II, are clearly meant as a challenge to Philippe. Iano Tamar and Ramón Vargas sing most sensitively throughout. Vargas is a bit underrated, I think, when people consider tenors of today, but he sings sweetly, with a fine sense of line and phrasing, and acts well. I haven’t seen Tamar before, but I would be keen to see her in other Verdi roles.

I wonder how I would have felt it I was a Vienna regular? Cheated out of a ‘big production’ with grand sets, perhaps. Annoyed by some of the gimmicks, maybe. But as a DVD performance, or even if the production came here on tour, I think it’s provocative, dramatic and gives a clearer insight into the characters than we may be used to seeing. One for the shopping basket, I think!
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« Reply #6 on: 13:08:33, 11-04-2008 »

Thanks for that excelent review. I must say I'm in tow minds about this one simply because the gimmicks might bother me more than they did you. That said it sounds like quite a performance.
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« Reply #7 on: 13:16:32, 11-04-2008 »

Can I just add that, to those who don't know it, Don Carlo(s) would be a very good opera for those who otherwise don't respond so well to the whole cantina/cabaletta dominated tradition of 19th century Italian opera, and perhaps are less taken by many of Verdi's other particularly renowned operas. There is such a rich range of writing in this opera, and with very intricate dramatic pacing.
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« Reply #8 on: 13:27:01, 11-04-2008 »

IGI -

I am wary about po mo Verdi after my experiences in Bucharest last autumn (qv).  However the production you describe sounds very thoughtful and worthwhile, apart from the Eboli's dream bit.  But whatever else does one do with the ballet?  The actual scenario is no sillier than the one you describe, and at least that relates to the action.

Ian -

Thank you for that.  I believe Verdi himself hated cabalettas and once he had OD'd on them in Trovatore there are fewer and fewer of them.

Don Carlos has the advantage of a considerably more sophisticated original than the usual Hollywood B movie stuff Verdi set.  That also goes in a big way for Otello and Falstaff, where the pattern of numbers is hardly if at all noticeable (for the benefit of anyone new to Verdi.)
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« Reply #9 on: 13:31:36, 11-04-2008 »

the usual Hollywood B movie stuff Verdi set
How clairvoyant of him! Wink

I think I might have to get hold of this Don Carlos lark (I don't know any Verdi except La traviata, which I saw as a teenager).
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« Reply #10 on: 13:36:08, 11-04-2008 »

Gosh, you've got some treats in store, tinners!  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: 13:47:46, 11-04-2008 »

Can I just add that, to those who don't know it, Don Carlo(s) would be a very good opera for those who otherwise don't respond so well to the whole cantina/cabaletta dominated tradition of 19th century Italian opera, and perhaps are less taken by many of Verdi's other particularly renowned operas. There is such a rich range of writing in this opera, and with very intricate dramatic pacing.

Entirely agreed Smiley  Sadly the forthcoming production at ROH is utterly sold-out Sad   Although I can and do watch opera on dvd, to my mind it can never be more than about 50% of the experience of seeing and hearing a live performance - although of course it's better than nothing,  and a chance to see "the best of" productions which have originated in other parts of the world.

Enormous thanks to IGI for a perceptive and rigorous review of the Vienna production - we could do with that level of approach amongst the "professional" (by which I mean "paid to do it", rather than "high-standard") critics!   It's one of this boards great strengths that there is input of this quality by IGI, Ruth, and others - thank you for it Smiley

Tinners,  you have a voyage of delight ahead of you in the Verdi repertoire Smiley   It's richly rewarding territory, and will pay back the time invested in spades Smiley   CARLOS is a magnificent opera to start with!  But don't leave FALSTAFF unexplored for too long either...  it's the summation of Verdi's dramatic work...  towards the end of "Va, vecchio John" the sound-world of WOZZECK isn't a big leap away...
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« Reply #12 on: 13:55:07, 11-04-2008 »

I have a bit of a blind spot about Falstaff. My personal favourite Verdis are Ernani, Attila, I Masnadieri, Rigoletto, Don Carlos, Aida, and Otello.
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« Reply #13 on: 15:19:08, 11-04-2008 »

I have a bit of a blind spot about Falstaff. My personal favourite Verdis are Ernani, Attila, I Masnadieri, Rigoletto, Don Carlos, Aida, and Otello.

That's an impressive sweep from early to late, though, Ian Smiley  Persevere with Falstaff, perhaps?   It pushes the stylistic envelope to its utmost, a Janus-like work that is more looking forward to the next generation than looking back?   It can't be coincidental that Verdi chose plot-material centring on a man thought by all to be "past it",  but who proves to be an old dog who's learnt new tricks after all?  No longer able to seduce in his own right, Falstaff turns the tables on his pursuers and takes vicarious pleasure in Nanetta's engagement to Fenton.  The old generation might have reached the end of the road themselves,  but instead of lumbering the next generation with their baggage and a marriage to a fustian old fool (Dr Caius),  the young lovers rush off to do what they themselves choose...  and not what their parents planned.  In a quintessentially Italian and more subtle way,  it's the same message as the last stage-direction of GOTTERDAEMERUNG...  but the "old gods" succeed in taking a fonder farewell to their children without the collateral damage (or Angst) of the Germanic version Smiley  The Germans have Armageddon: the Italians have a big supper ("Poi con Sir John, andiamo alla cena!  E vi-va!")  Smiley   It's a comedy of serious intent - although sadly too often it's played only for laughs (the laughs must be there of course - but there's more besides).

Not to mention ditching cabalettas and arias in favour of ensembles and scenas, and tonally ambiguous writing in the big solo scenes for Ford (his "cuckoldry" monologue) and Falstaff.
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« Reply #14 on: 15:30:10, 11-04-2008 »

Since tinners knows his German classics, he probably knows Carlos in Schiller's original form.
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