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Biroc
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« on: 14:03:25, 09-06-2007 » |
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I will be going to hear Sam's new piece, Substratum, for the BBC Symph orch on July 17th perhaps other board members will be also there? It's programmed beside Bernstein's 2nd Symphony and Ives' 4th Symphony.
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martle
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« Reply #1 on: 22:10:12, 10-06-2007 » |
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Seems to me this is a must hear programme. Sam's a fine, interesting composer and this is a radical and substantial piece (I've seen the score!). I'm also a nut for both the Bernstein and the Ives...  |
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Biroc
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« Reply #2 on: 22:25:01, 10-06-2007 » |
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Hehe, I have also seen (an early prototype!) score of it, some time ago when Sam visited me up North...it may cause some members distress...but I agree, looks like a fine listening experience!
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« Reply #3 on: 12:33:32, 11-06-2007 » |
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See you both there then!
Biroc, did you get the CD?
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« Reply #4 on: 10:18:57, 12-06-2007 » |
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See you both there then!
Biroc, did you get the CD?
Yup, pm'd you...the Barlow rocks! |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #5 on: 15:23:33, 11-07-2007 » |
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Like martle, I'm turned on by both the Bernstein (especially the Masque movement) and the Ives, and always willing to give something new a try.
It's going to be on BBC4 as well, btw....
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« Reply #6 on: 17:42:05, 11-07-2007 » |
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See you both there then!
Biroc, did you get the CD?
Yup, pm'd you...the Barlow rocks! Barlow? Did somebody say Barlow? CKQlarenzsce Barlow? |
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« Reply #7 on: 23:16:12, 11-07-2007 » |
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Not heard his music before; this looks interesting.
Hoping to make it.
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Biroc
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« Reply #8 on: 14:21:37, 15-07-2007 » |
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See you both there then!
Biroc, did you get the CD?
Yup, pm'd you...the Barlow rocks! Barlow? Did somebody say Barlow? CKQlarenzsce Barlow? Yup, lol, I said Klarence Brlwo... t_i_n - still up for a bit of Haydn on Tues? Am driving down fae the North for to hear it... |
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« Reply #9 on: 17:22:44, 16-07-2007 » |
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Biroc, it's looking bad ... Despite having been reassured the concert's tomorrow and not yesterday I'm still in the middle of two deadline crises.  If 1500 words or so magically jump on to my laptop between now and this time tomorrow you'll see me. Otherwise that drink I owe you might have to wait a bit longer.  |
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« Reply #10 on: 19:19:01, 17-07-2007 » |
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Well, I was very impressed with Substratum from the first hearing - and I only have to wait 15 minutes to hear it again on BBC 4!!
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« Reply #11 on: 21:03:22, 17-07-2007 » |
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I wonder why the whole piece couldn't be prepared - was it very difficult? Or was the rest of the programme difficult to put together? It must be very disappointing for Sam, having presumably spent a considerable amount of time writing the piece, to be under-represented in this way. There are already some pretty angry comments about the piece, and new music in general, at TOP... http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F7497567I don't feel it's particularly worthwhile getting involved, but someone might wish to have a go...  |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #12 on: 22:03:37, 17-07-2007 » |
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With Ives 4 on the programme as well, itself a far from easy piece, perhaps they felt they needed to devote more time there, Stuart. What there was of Substratum seemed very well prepared, whereas there were some very sticky moments indeed in The Age of Anxiety, as if the rehearsal had been somewhat curtailed. I have yet to hear the Ives...
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« Reply #13 on: 22:04:25, 17-07-2007 » |
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I've just read the comments on TOP and there is one I agree with, namely that the camera would occasionally linger on a particular player, as though that instrument had a particularly important line, but I could only hear a general sound coming from the orchestra which varied very little (at least on just one hearing) and any one instrument seemed so often to get buried in it. I loved the close ups of the contrabass clarinet and the composer's comments relating to that instrument during the interval, but whilst I could just about hear it at odd moments, it didn't seem to have the fundamental role (in every sense of the word) that some were claiming for it; or if it did, it didn't come over very well, at least to me.
I realize how unfair it can be to make judgements after just one hearing and perhaps one did have to be there to feel the vibrations from such large forces but I found the experience unsatisfactory. With too many textures and too little variation (perhaps because it's just part of a longer work) it seemed to last longer than it did.
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« Reply #14 on: 23:17:56, 17-07-2007 » |
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There are alread :(y some pretty angry comments about the piece, and new music in general, at TOP... http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F7497567I don't feel it's particularly worthwhile getting involved, but someone might wish to have a go... Kevin M in the lead. One recipient of a Proms commission furiously dissing another? Maybe that counts as 'a domestic'  |
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