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Author Topic: Sam Hayden, 17th July  (Read 2568 times)
Ron Dough
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« Reply #15 on: 23:44:21, 17-07-2007 »

Has Kevin Mayo actually had a Proms commission, GG? Music for Insomniacs had a pre-Proms performance in 1996, but I can't find anything else... If he hasn't, that would appear to make the dissing all the more bitter. I've noted the specific comment re English composers, too: Mr Mayo is a Scot.
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« Reply #16 on: 23:59:36, 17-07-2007 »

I once attended an all-Carter concert at the Edinburgh Festival and discussed it with Kevin afterwards. IIRC he hated all of it, and knew he hated all the pieces (the string quartets) before the concert started. I remember wondering why he had come, or at the very least why he hadn't left early if he was having such a miserable time (there were two intervals). I think I asked him but he didn't really want to speak about it much once he realised that I had loved the concert. I think he was trying not to spoil it for me, but he needn't have worried! Anyway I got the impression that he doesn't really "do" ambivalent.

I would like to think that his motivation for dissing the Hayden so strongly is genuine frustration and bafflement at the style, rather than bitterness. That's fine, each to their own obviously. However IMHO it's definitely the "sort of piece" the Proms should be commissioning.
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« Reply #17 on: 00:04:41, 18-07-2007 »

"The vast majority of people, be they musically educated, inquisitive or whatever do not like listening to this music. That's a fact.

What are it's merits?
Not musical.
Not artistic.

Cerebral? Perhaps. Is that a desirable quality in music? I don't believe so.

Thankfully, time will eradicate the dross.
But it is sad to see the BBC investing in music which clearly has no long term future."

dear, oh dear , who is this kevin mayo???
this bitter laddie certainly has  personal issues, one of them being intense jealousy.  ok, i haven't heard the piece yet, but am looking forward to once i get the chance. i'd forgotten about this kind of narrow mindedness, to be honest, i've come across it more in current and previous csu & austrian politicians than on the continent. it's the kind of arrogance that 'knows' what music is and what it isn't, preferring music built out of outgrown listening paradigms, or that won't question/reflect on existing ones.
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« Reply #18 on: 00:08:01, 18-07-2007 »

I've had a difficult little job trying to find any of his music, none of which seems to have found its way into the Dough Archives, but there is this: lousy sound, but I'm glad to say that it does actually make me want to hear more....

http://www.musicnow.co.uk/composers/audio/mayo.ram
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« Reply #19 on: 00:14:16, 18-07-2007 »

thanks for the 'quote'. yes bad sound. & i thought life was bad enough!
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« Reply #20 on: 00:21:35, 18-07-2007 »

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I support Brother Dough in this instance. There is nought wrong with the Brothers sample and woe betide anyone who thinks otherwise. It is certainly much better than some stuff you purchase .....
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« Reply #21 on: 00:24:29, 18-07-2007 »

Well Ron, I certainly had a recording or two at some point, so hopefully it's just a matter of finding the right box.

I may be able to play Santa sooner than I had thought... Wink
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« Reply #22 on: 01:10:05, 18-07-2007 »

Has Kevin Mayo actually had a Proms commission, GG? Music for Insomniacs had a pre-Proms performance in 1996, but I can't find anything else...

You're absolutely right, Ron, as ever. I read something too quickly and jumped to the (mistaken) conclusion that it was a BBC commission. Apologies all round. (I wish I could stop the phrase "Go easy on the mayo' coming into my head every time I see his name.)
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« Reply #23 on: 01:10:13, 18-07-2007 »

I've had a difficult little job trying to find any of his music, none of which seems to have found its way into the Dough Archives, but there is this: lousy sound, but I'm glad to say that it does actually make me want to hear more....

http://www.musicnow.co.uk/composers/audio/mayo.ram

If only the quality of the recording were actually the problem.
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« Reply #24 on: 09:16:26, 18-07-2007 »

Not having heard the Hayden last night, I don't have anything to say except that the comments on TOP seem to have been cut-and-pasted from those on any other new Proms piece since messageboards began - always the same tired old spluttering.

Anyone have anything to say about how it compares to other recent work by SH?
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« Reply #25 on: 11:22:48, 18-07-2007 »

Well, what a shambles that was. 14 minutes of a 25-minute piece. I imagine Sam is gutted - I know I would be. Haven't managed to speak to him yet, but will report on what happened once I have.

I loved what there was - dense, beautifully wrought textures, powerful slow momentum, keeping all registers active all the time (not easy to do without becoming wearing).

It certainly is a 'difficult' piece, in the sense that there are constant multiple/ nested (whatever) tuplets in all parts and instruments are often stretched at their extreme registers, plus highly intricate textures that have to be exactly right to 'work' - become clear, I mean. (I remember Richard talking about what I would imagine to have been a similar experience to that which Sam underwent.) But this is the BBCSO, they are surely used to such challenges by now.

As to how it compares to other SH - for my money, and despite having only heard 3 /5ths of it, it effectively sums up a lot of what he's been doing for the last 12 years or so. Difficult, knarly stuff superbly rendered.

Don't pass the Mayo.
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« Reply #26 on: 12:02:10, 18-07-2007 »

I went to the Pre-Prom talk and there Paul Hughes (general manager of BBCSO) reeled off a list of excuses which basically broiled down to: the orchestra hadn't had enough rehearsal time on it and couldn't play it.

Regarding the piece itself, there was very little to hold on to or that could be called tangible. When I read martle's post talking of
...constant multiple/ nested (whatever) tuplets in all parts...
frankly I wonder where they were. Maybe if I heard it again it would make more sense, but I'm afraid it was all a bit of a soup from where I was.

Inoffensively.
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« Reply #27 on: 12:03:11, 18-07-2007 »

just ducking in...

I enjoyed what I heard, and will reserve judgment until the work is presented in its entirety, but apropos to what martle just penned...

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keeping all registers active all the time (not easy to do without becoming wearing).

Reminds me of David Rakowski's "Buttstix" -- http://home.earthlink.net/~ziodavino/album1_016.htm

An entertaining read, if very much of its time and place (satirizing prejudices specific to the American university, though sometimes having relevance to other settings)

just ducking out...
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« Reply #28 on: 12:13:57, 18-07-2007 »

There is the minor consolation of an agreed complete performance by the BBCSO at the earliest possibilty, but he must indeed be gutted, martle. On the subject of performing just part of the work: whose decision was it to play the section we heard? Would impressions have been in anyway different had we had the other chunk of torso instead? CD's right, though: judgement should surely be reserved until the whole piece can be heard as the composer intended.
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« Reply #29 on: 12:14:43, 18-07-2007 »

When I read martle's post talking of
...constant multiple/ nested (whatever) tuplets in all parts...
frankly I wonder where they were.

Fair point, eru, and I only know about all that nesting from having seen the score. What I meant was that the rhythmic intricacies implied by the notation have to be realised pretty precisely to 'work', or to be effectively apprehended by the listener. If they're inaccurate, the 'soup effect' takes hold!
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