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andrew davis does nothing for me, and neither does the first half of this concert.
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sososo s & i.
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« Reply #1 on: 12:45:17, 26-07-2007 » |
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I accept your confession. But cheer up: Some poeple cannot enjoy any music at all!
These are all old favourites for Andrew.He has made memorable recordings of the Delius and VW and is a distinguished interpreter of Tippett since doing 'King Pram' years ago at the Garden.
I adore 'Song of Summer', such an intense and eloquent piece. And the Tippett concerto is such fun to see as well as hear,with the three soloists watching each other.
I'm sorry it's not being televised,as I should have thought it would be a popular concert with a TV audience.
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« Reply #2 on: 13:51:06, 26-07-2007 » |
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author=smittims link=topic=1513.msg48385#msg48385 date=1185450317 ...a distinguished interpreter of Tippett since doing 'King Pram' years ago at the Garden.
Is that the one where the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater, Smits? But did he ever conduct Priam at all? At the Garden Pritchard did the '64 premiere, Colin Davis the '68 revival, David Atherton the '72 and all the subsequents including the RFH concert performances and the recording. Norrington did the Kent Opera one and Paul Daniel the ON/ENO version. So far as I'm aware, the only Tippett opera that AD ever conducted was New Year at Glyndebourne, and on TV. |
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« Reply #3 on: 14:58:17, 26-07-2007 » |
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We do seem to be having a few concerts that have a thread running through them. I'm all for thoughtful programming but a bit of variety is good too. So tonight it's all 20th century British music. Recently we had two consecutive Proms entirely of French music. Last night Copland and Barber were back to back. Then romantic Russian music with big doses of Rachmaninov and Gliere side by side. The concert with Bernstein and Ives together would have been a bit hard to digest for the average concert goer and, as such, it did Sam Hayden no favours.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #4 on: 15:01:57, 26-07-2007 » |
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Last night Copland and Barber were back to back.
I hope no one told Menotti.  |
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« Reply #5 on: 15:28:05, 26-07-2007 » |
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# 4 Or Shakespeare, Ron. Act 1, Sc 1 - Othello
Iago " I am one,sir, that comes to tell you your daughter and the Moor are now making the beast with two backs."
Brabantio "Thou art a villain."
Iago "Your are - a senator."
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« Reply #6 on: 16:12:00, 26-07-2007 » |
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Honestly - I got taken to task for suggesting the pianist might do something with his right hand in the Ravel concerto and now this! I knew something about Copland but not Barber; perhaps Syndey Grew could have advised me. Music from the Carry On films was in Prom 2.
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« Reply #7 on: 16:27:29, 26-07-2007 » |
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.....Syndey Grew.....
Ah, so her parents chose an unusual spelling, too! |
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« Reply #8 on: 17:20:47, 26-07-2007 » |
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now this. I knew something about Copland but not Barber 'Now this'? 'Something'? Why don't you just say 'I knew Copland was gay but not Barber'?? And yes, Barber and Menotti were partners. |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #9 on: 17:41:10, 26-07-2007 » |
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I can't win! My words get picked up for having a hidden meaning and then for not being explicit enough! All right: I knew Copland was gay but not Barber. No offence I hope, tin, or anyone else.
Looking forward to the Prom tonight...
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« Reply #10 on: 18:06:12, 26-07-2007 » |
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Yes but, 'ang on......... making the beast with two backs is one jolly good game. Playing back to back is another.  To date, while historians of music have written a substantial amount about the former, the question of which composers played back to back with one another hasn't yet received anything like the attention it deserves. [Searches hopefully for amusing picture of Barber and Copland playing back to back at a frat party but fails.] |
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« Reply #11 on: 18:08:55, 26-07-2007 » |
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Back to back they faced each other
Drew their swords and ...Sorry!  (And no, no offence, Tony! I was just gently pointing out that sometimes explicitness sounds better than its converse.)
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #12 on: 18:16:17, 26-07-2007 » |
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# 4 Or Shakespeare, Ron. Act 1, Sc 1 - Othello
Iago " I am one,sir, that comes to tell you your daughter and the Moor are now making the beast with two backs."
Do you know, I have always thought that Iago's phrase was a reference back to the same phrase use by one of the protagonists in Plato's 'The Symposium'. I could have sworn it. But having tried to find it, it seems not  None of the books of origins and derivations I've got refer to that previous use. Where did I get that idea from? |
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« Reply #13 on: 18:26:01, 26-07-2007 » |
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Maybe from Diotima's speech which begins: What is the cause, Socrates, of love, and the attendant desire? See you not how all animals, birds, as well as beasts, in their desire of procreation, are in agony when they take the infection of love, which begins with the desire of union; whereto is added the care of offspring, on whose behalf the weakest are ready to battle against the strongest even to the uttermost, and to die for them, and will let themselves be tormented with hunger or suffer anything in order to maintain their young. Man may be supposed to act thus from reason; but why should animals have these passionate feelings? Can you tell me why? |
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« Reply #14 on: 19:21:05, 26-07-2007 » |
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# 10 Back to back, George?
You may be familiar with The Best of Mike Nichols & Elaine May. I have it on LP, Mercury 20031 MCL. Nichols & May perform an improvised sketch on the sheer angst of family relations, discussed by two intense pick-ups, and the track is called Bach to Bach.
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