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« Reply #75 on: 21:18:47, 28-08-2007 » |
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when I sang in choirs many years ago, we were told that the word 'you' should be 'yoo' to make it more pleasant to listen to Just out of interest, why should that be a consideration when singing but not when speaking? But that's choral singing for you. It's one of my hobbyhorses and one reason I don't like singing in choirs. The purer "yoo" would belong to the Brian Sewell way of speaking. I don't mind it at all (I actually rather like it) but many people find it affected. But during my time in choirs, I was told to sing Jair-uslam for Jurusalam, moun-tayn for mountin, rewar-dead for rewardid, loo-laby for lullaby, etc. Perhaps it did sound better to people at the back of the hall but it made me cringe. |
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« Reply #76 on: 21:37:38, 28-08-2007 » |
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Just out of interest, why should that be a consideration when singing but not when speaking? Because the word often takes up much more time when singing than in talking and a long 'yooooooo' sounds better than a long-draw-out yeeeuuuu, and I still think that. Why is that obvious - could you maybe say what it is that makes him one of the best in the world of musical theatre? I didn't listen, and haven't heard Michael Ball sing for many years, but I'm puzzled by the apparent need to admit that he must be good at musical theatre at the same time as criticising his qualities in the context of last night's concert. Fair question - I should have edited that straight away instead of reading on through first! I should have said 'very popular' - and presumably can command a high fee not just as a singer but as an actor. It all comes down to personal preference in the end, doesn't it? On the whole I find myself in accord with Milly Jones on reading through this thread, but also finding the different points of view very interesting. I think I bought a Michael Ball CD once but listened to it only once, whereas Bryn Terfal's CD with a wide range of songs I enjoy listening to. |
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« Reply #77 on: 21:47:30, 28-08-2007 » |
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Just out of interest, why should that be a consideration when singing but not when speaking? Because the word often takes up much more time when singing than in talking and a long 'yooooooo' sounds better than a long-draw-out yeeeuuuu, and I still think that. That's fair enough, and thanks for taking the time to explain. I was just checking whether it was because you think singers ought to sound 'posh' - or maybe just neutral (i.e. without a marked regional accent). ... I'm with Tony - I find that some of the mannerisms taught in classical singing sound very precious when adhered to these days - but I can certainly accept your reasoning here. Terry: You'll find that threads on this messageboard have a habit of going off-topic, sometimes quite wildly so!  As for catholic tastes and transcending prejudice, I'm with you there, although I think it would also be important to take account of richard barrett's argument (Ian Pace has also made similar arguments in different contexts) that including certain commercially popular/successful kinds of music, while looking on the surface like inclusiveness, can actually in practice have the effect of excluding that which is less amenable to market values and therefore contributing to a big picture which actually reduces diversity. |
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« Reply #78 on: 21:54:24, 28-08-2007 » |
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Terry: You'll find that threads on this messageboard have a habit of going off-topic, sometimes quite wildly so! As for catholic tastes and transcending prejudice, I'm with you there, although I think it would also be important to take account of richard barrett's argument (Ian Pace has also made similar arguments in different contexts) that including certain commercially popular/successful kinds of music, while looking on the surface like inclusiveness, can actually in practice have the effect of excluding that which is less amenable to market values and therefore contributing to a big picture which actually reduces diversity. Furthermore, it hardly seems as if audiences are denied opportunities otherwise to see Michael Ball in concert, whereas for some other things that are featured in the Proms, that certainly could be argued to be the case. |
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« Reply #79 on: 22:06:13, 28-08-2007 » |
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Furthermore, it hardly seems as if audiences are denied opportunities otherwise to see Michael Ball in concert, whereas for some other things that are featured in the Proms, that certainly could be argued to be the case.
But that would be an argument against excluding all sorts of things, not just Michael Ball. |
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« Reply #80 on: 22:47:19, 28-08-2007 » |
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and I feel that the Proms will be better for the Michael Ball experience which was, after all, the first concert to be sold out!!!
Ahem. But I hear the Arena was two-thirds empty... And what about the Venezuelans?? |
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #81 on: 23:19:58, 28-08-2007 » |
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Just out of interest, why should that be a consideration when singing but not when speaking? Because the word often takes up much more time when singing than in talking and a long 'yooooooo' sounds better than a long-draw-out yeeeuuuu, and I still think that. So how does one sing "new" or "few"? |
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« Reply #82 on: 23:22:45, 28-08-2007 » |
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ahem...
*plays an 'A' on piano*
'neeeeeew'
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'feeeeew'.
hope that clears it up.
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« Reply #83 on: 23:26:49, 28-08-2007 » |
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*plays an 'A' on piano*
a traditional round of hearty applause there. |
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #84 on: 23:31:46, 28-08-2007 » |
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So yeeeeeeew and not foooooooo or noooooo, then?
Getting back to the eponymous source of this thread, I see in Prom 61 they're playing Knussen's Ophelia Dances. That's not to be confused with Ophelia Balls, is it?
Sorry about that. I'll get me coat forthwith.
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« Reply #85 on: 23:35:35, 28-08-2007 » |
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ahem...
*plays an 'A' on piano*
'neeeeeew'
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'feeeeew'.
hope that clears it up.
 tonybob - please tell me what tune your squirrel's playing - you really should have audio for your avatar. Wouldn't it be fun if all our avatars had sound which you could hear when you clicked on them... |
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Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
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« Reply #86 on: 23:53:21, 28-08-2007 » |
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tonybob - please tell me what tune your squirrel's playing - you really should have audio for your avatar. Wouldn't it be fun if all our avatars had sound which you could hear when you clicked on them...
My aardvark's humming Morton Feldman's Triadic Memories  |
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« Reply #87 on: 23:58:05, 28-08-2007 » |
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Wouldn't it be fun if all our avatars had sound which you could hear when you clicked on them...
No offence, Mabel Jane, but there would be too many cat noises. And I'm trying to get the sound of Cilla Black out of my head from something I've just posted elsewhere. |
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« Reply #88 on: 00:04:01, 29-08-2007 » |
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Cat noises? CAT? Ahem!!! Stage left: one deep-throated bass barking sound..
(P.S. I think you're right actually. There's more cat people on here than doggy fans.)
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We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
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« Reply #89 on: 00:18:22, 29-08-2007 » |
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The purer "yoo" would belong to the Brian Sewell way of speaking. I don't mind it at all (I actually rather like it) but many people find it affected.
I don't think it's Brian Sewell at all. It's the correct pronunciation of the word. Yeew, meewn, Jeewn - horrible distortions! |
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