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« Reply #30 on: 10:56:09, 10-04-2008 » |
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What the 'proms by composer' list doesn't show is that Haitink and the Chicago SO are playing DSCH4! Aha - thanks for the tip-off! ...On a first proper 'look through', I've copied/pasted concerts I'd be interested in seeing. Normally, I wouldn't highlight that many, but this season, I've picked out 21!! I only picked 5, all cheap ones until the above. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that there is no Foulds and no Havergal Brian in this, the biggest British music festival... but no Tippett? no Britten? And no Bruckner
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« Reply #31 on: 11:01:01, 10-04-2008 » |
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Having had just a cursory glance so far and (probably) not having time to go to very much, I must say the programme looks better than it has for some years - perhaps those who thought RW's takeover would cast the Proms into the depths of dumbdom will be pleasantly surprised. I'm not sure I'd be able to sit (let alone stand) through Saint François, but a whole day of Stockhausen, and no Britten - what's not to like?
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #32 on: 11:11:45, 10-04-2008 » |
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What the 'proms by composer' list doesn't show is that Haitink and the Chicago SO are playing DSCH4!
Darn it! Just when I'd persuaded myself that I could probably forego a visit this year....(wonder if they're playing Edinburgh, though.)
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #33 on: 11:25:23, 10-04-2008 » |
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They're not playing at the EIF, Ron. I've never been to Edinburgh, but having just downloaded their brochure, it's something perhaps I should remedy!
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« Reply #34 on: 17:23:59, 10-04-2008 » |
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And no Bruckner I have already noted this happy news on TOP He must have been the "piano-organist, Who never would be missed".
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« Reply #35 on: 20:33:35, 10-04-2008 » |
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I'm glad the Henry Wood Sea Songs have been dropped from the Last Night, if only because I can't stand the honking that Prommers insisting on accompanying it with. But not being a Rachmaninov fan I'm not thrilled by the large amount of his music that's being played this year for some reason.
However, I would like to draw attention the the Coleridge Taylor clarinet quintet. I've not heard it before but I'm looking forward to it.
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« Reply #36 on: 12:02:08, 11-04-2008 » |
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I like the attempt to make it sound logical in the blurb: nestling between the two ‘original’ halves comes a performance of Stockhausen’s Punkte, originally dating from almost exactly 50 years after the Mahler premiere (and also first heard in Cologne)
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martle
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« Reply #37 on: 12:09:02, 11-04-2008 » |
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That's *really* lame, isn't it! Can Punkte 'nestle', ever?
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« Reply #38 on: 12:15:58, 11-04-2008 » |
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It's an extraordinary programme... in particular in that order! Looks a bit like Mahler-Stockhausen-programmed encores...
(Or rather: the 3rd Act idea which Stenz also used to do at the Melbourne Symphony.)
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« Reply #39 on: 12:29:39, 11-04-2008 » |
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Yes, I thought it all looked a bit muddled really. I don't know what the themes are this year but there are only a few concerts that we will listen to in their entirity due to the number of 'weird and wonderful*' things sandwiched in between things that we like.
* = Note Not being judgemental here
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« Reply #40 on: 12:30:15, 11-04-2008 » |
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At least Punkte has an interval either side of it to enable the John Ws to remove their sensitive ears from the auditorium while the appalling racket is going on!
Personally I'd leave after the Stockhausen, not because I don't like the third "half" but because the first two would have given me quite enough to think about. I'd be interested to hear how having the Mahler first would affect the perception of the Stockhausen. I remember another Mahler/Stockhausen concert where Stockhausen's Jubiläum (as close to a curtain-raiser as he ever wrote, I'm surprised it isn't played more often) was followed by Mahler 5, which sounded distinctly odd - sparse, staccato and even somewhat monochrome in comparison to Stockhausen's luxuriantly dense textures. It was a highly thought-provoking experience.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #41 on: 13:00:14, 11-04-2008 » |
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Can Punkte 'nestle', ever? Only when performed beneath a fold in the South Downs, martle. That's where things nestle. When I saw that triple-decker programme I thought it must be a sort of 'retro' tribute to William Glock and the 1960s/1970s Proms. It's veeery 1970s. I was thinking of growing my hair in tribute. He and Robert Ponsonby used to do a lot of these with various 'bonkers' juxtapositions just to see if they worked. I might just dig out a few programmes. Actually, on reflection, the contrast between the taut and lean young Garnett in flares in the Arena and the present day Garnett in an anorak scrabbling away on the floor among musty old programmes muttering "It's been done before, you know" is a bit too painful to contemplate.
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #42 on: 13:52:14, 11-04-2008 » |
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Aw, go on, George, 'ave a go. It's such fun. Last weekend, I viewed the DVD of the film version of Lillian Hellman's "Watch On The Rhine" (1943). The 'extra' on the disc was a film historian's comments on the social changes between the time when the play was presented on Broadway, late 1939, and the subsequent American involvement in WW2, a few years later. I remembered seeing the play at the NT, in the late 1970s, and spent several hours finding the programme, simultaneously consulting Hellman's memoirs. Four hours later.....
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #43 on: 14:01:37, 11-04-2008 » |
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I've just noticed that I've now made my 500th posting. Typically, I see that it was also off-thread. In mitigation, I'm off to buy the new Proms brochure to set the record straight.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #44 on: 14:12:38, 11-04-2008 » |
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I remembered seeing the play at the NT, in the late 1970s, and spent several hours finding the programme, simultaneously consulting Hellman's memoirs. Four hours later..... With Peggy Ashcroft no less. I remember it well. (Goes to dig out programme ) Congratulations on your 500th, Stanley. And, um, to try and keep on topic, I've whittled my list of 'must go' Proms down to seven now. I'm aiming to trim that down to four but it's going to be tough. I don't think the Boulez/Janacek one has been mentioned here yet, has it? That, together with St Francis and the Stockhausen day make a definite three but there are four others I'm very keen on hearing in the flesh. The criterion is whether I really want to hear them in the RAH, with all that entails, not just whether I want to hear them.
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