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Author Topic: The 'The Tchaikovsky Experience?  (Read 1796 times)
Michael
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« on: 20:16:22, 06-02-2007 »

What do you guys expect from 'The Tchaikovsky Experience?
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« Reply #1 on: 20:34:47, 06-02-2007 »

Something clever on radio 3 and something dumb on tv !
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« Reply #2 on: 22:29:31, 07-02-2007 »

Shouldn't the thread title have been "The 'The Tchaikovsky Experience' Experience"?
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« Reply #3 on: 22:43:57, 07-02-2007 »

Shouldn't that font size have been bigger?  Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: 23:08:35, 07-02-2007 »

Hm!    Grand finale!     "Charles Hazlewood presents and conducts massed choirs (including Chantage, BBC Choir of the Year) and bands with the BBC Concert Orchestra in a spectacular choral version of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture"    Aaaaaarrrrgh!
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« Reply #5 on: 08:26:58, 08-02-2007 »

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Shouldn't that font size have been bigger?
I used the small one to indicate my embarrassment and to distance myself from my own childish comment...
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« Reply #6 on: 09:28:45, 08-02-2007 »

A choral version of the 1812 Overture?

I'd like to get that Charles Hazlewood and

This really illustrates the utter dumbed-down trashy tripe that's dogged this "Tchaikovsky Festival" from the outset. Lurid and unjustifiable speculative recreations of the composer's private life, followed by tatty performances of his most famous lollipop numbers conducted by Britain's answer to Richard Bonynge.  If this was on CFM we'd all be slapping our thighs.  Sadly this bilge is being broadcast by the BBC.

I guess no-one saw the irony - in the light of the "Court Of Star Chamber" version of Tchaikovsky's suicide - in getting a choir named "Chantage" ("Blackmail") to perform the work?


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« Reply #7 on: 09:58:26, 08-02-2007 »

Ho, Opilec!   Good to see you with us!

Frankly you are the musicologist - I gave all that up for Lent many years ago Smiley  I am guessing when I say that I strongly doubt there's textual evidence for a choral version, either extant or hinted-at in any of PIT's correspondence...  on the basis that if there was, it would have been done in Russia.  I suspect this might be a "wouldn't it be a great idea if...?",  rather on the lines of that "Tchaikovsky's Cello Concerto" assembled out of oddments and fragments by a composer who also happened - well goodness gracious me - to be an aspirant solo cellist.   On the other hand,  Jaarvi's background might imply that in fact there is "something in it"?

PIT was no purist on these matters himself, and was quite happy to make modified versions of his works - such as the "concert version" of "The Battle Of Poltava" - but usually with the proviso that he did so himself.  For example there is the case I mentioned back in "another place", in which the ballerina for a revival of his initially-unsuccessful SWAN LAKE had Minkus knock-up a replacement Pas De Deux (for new choreography by Petipa) in place of Tchaikovsky's Pas De Six. PIT went ballistic and refused to allow the piece into his ballet... then offered a compromise, in which he would compose alternative music that would perfectly fit the choreography. In point of fact he simply took Minkus's melody and scored it slightly different.  (In fact, neither version made it into the 1896 "Drigo" edition which is universally danced today).

Does anyone else know about this "Choral Version"?   The sad thing here is that there are so many occasional works by Tchaikovsky which DID employ a chorus and orchestra,  and badly deserve performance.  For example, his Cantata to celebrate the opening of the Moscow Polytechnical Museum,  which is a substantial "patriotic" work  (there was a vogue for such pieces after the assassination of Alexander II in 1883 - his heir was convinced it had all happened because of opening up the borders to corrupting foreign influences, plus ca change, eh?).   As far as I remember there are alternating solos and choruses,  telling Russia's history in panoramic form, by way of the Mongols, the Turks, the Empire and a tangential sideswipe at Napoleon  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: 12:12:23, 08-02-2007 »

The experience I would really like, well musical experience anyway, is for the complete works of Schoenberg to be broadcast. He's still under-represented and poorly understood, and I would have thought that this could be addressed along with an assessment of his influence on subsequent musical development.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:32:32, 08-02-2007 »

Ho Reiner.  There are two cantatas listed in the Radio Times.  On Sunday 10th at 9'45 plus is the Cantata "To Joy".  On Wednesday 14th at 10'30 plus is the Cantata "On the Bicentenary of the Birth of Peter the Great.  I assume the former is the one that you have mentioned.
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« Reply #10 on: 22:53:07, 08-02-2007 »

I would second the "Schoenberg experience" thought. There's some wacky stuff out there that more people should really be exposed to. Smiley

Maybe Tchaik didn't actually ever intend a choral version. But where does that opening music with all its repeated notes come from? It does certainly have more than a hint of instrumentally-arranged chant about it...

Anyone remember the PDQ Bach 1712 Overture? Of course he extends those opening chords to about triple their normal length. And has the whole orchestra gasp for breath in the middle.
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« Reply #11 on: 02:11:17, 09-02-2007 »

R_T and Opilec, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_Overture has this:

"In the mid-1960s, Igor Buketoff wrote an arrangement of the 1812 Overture with chorus. The opening segment was sung by voices as a sung chant instead of being played by cellos and violas, the children's chorus was added to the flute and English horn parts, and the full chorus was mixed into the winds — the entire orchestra, in fact — in the closing segment."


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« Reply #12 on: 17:59:19, 09-02-2007 »

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What do you guys expect from 'The Tchaikovsky Experience?

Frankly, a lot of listening to CDs, and a lot of channel-hopping on the car radio. Nothing against Tchaikovsky, or Stravinsky for that matter. Like them both and have plenty of recordings. Just find 'the experience' total anathema. Beethoven and Bach are two of my absolute favourite composers, but I didn't want them shoved down my ears morning noon and night. I couldn't wait for Bach 10 days -  TEN DAYS - to end. I shall be in the wilderness for the next week, Listening Again to Mixing It  Cry and Later Junction.

Well, you did ask...
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« Reply #13 on: 19:02:24, 09-02-2007 »

The experience I would really like, well musical experience anyway, is for the complete works of Schoenberg to be broadcast. He's still under-represented and poorly understood, and I would have thought that this could be addressed along with an assessment of his influence on subsequent musical development.

I agree - or perhaps a themed weekend on a period, a school or something similar.  Something that allows the unfamiliar to be explored and placed in context, alongside the familiar.  But not, please, a week-long marathon like this.
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« Reply #14 on: 23:59:30, 09-02-2007 »

OK everyone is ordered to get their butts into gear and march at a good brisk Tchaikovskian marcato pace along to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/tchaikovsky/diary.shtml in order to pose lots of views both positive AND negative so that the 2 poor souls who are there have something nourishing to feed off.

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