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Russians sang in English language I was told. They don't even want to sing in their own language.
But then people from Sweden often sing in English. I don't really know if it is good or bad. Ukranian probably sang in their language, but i don't really know.
I did not listen because I have absolutely no interest in the songs and the whole proceedings.
The process irritates me and I don't watch it.
They sang in Russian last year; I think some of the Ukraine's song was in russian...but not sure... . Also: Ireland, I think, very deservedly achieved last place in the competition. (it's worth noting). |
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« Reply #31 on: 16:31:43, 13-05-2007 » |
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From speaking to people here, they don't like the competition very much. There was a competition to get in this competition, was not it?
Irish have good pop singer, do they? There are Chieftans. Are they Irish? I don't know.
My students like boys something. I d on't really know.
After exams they come with their songs and we play it (poor me). Some times I think to myself that some of the songs are not bad.
I for some reason never develped any interest for pop songs. But when sing it to me I do think that they are good songs.
There are good jazz people here. I met a few. I am hoping to learn improvization a little. I compoletely lost my improvizational skills with classical training.
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« Reply #32 on: 17:40:34, 13-05-2007 » |
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One of my ex's cousins was Paddy Moloney who plays the Uleann pipes in The Chieftans. He's also written 2 symphonies. The Chieftans also play on the original recording of Malcolm Arnold's 7th Symphony.
I wish I'd been able to meet the man. Anyway when they collaborate with singers like van Morrison etc it is he who does the arrangements. Probably the best arbiter of taste as to whats out there at the moment. Christy Moore
(ex-Planxty) also v good I think.
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« Reply #33 on: 17:45:57, 13-05-2007 » |
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I don't know Paddy Moloney, but I know somebody who probably does. I will have to find out.
I recently started to arrange myself. I am arranging two Russian songs of different character for a trio. I find it interesting. It is like using different colour pencils to make a picture to come alife.
This is my third arrangement. I even did an arrangement for quartet (four people not one string player). I have not heard this arrangement yet. May be it is bad, I don't know.
People who heard the competition told me that Russian (or was it Ukranian?) song was similar to Abba song. I don't know if it is true.
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« Reply #34 on: 18:03:33, 13-05-2007 » |
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Many countries in Eurovision sing in English, and I think it's really a shame. I find it more interesting when they sing in their own languages. It doesn't matter that I can't understand the words (they are usually not very deep anyway), it's just the sound of the foreign words in songs that is interesting. You can listen to the voice just as an instrument if you don't understand the langauge.
I love the sounds of folk songs from France, Italy and Spain, and some I've heard from Scandinavian countries. I would love to hear more Eastern European or Russian singing, but they keep using English!
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« Reply #35 on: 18:19:41, 13-05-2007 » |
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People also told me that Serbian song was more original. I don't know if it is true since I did not hear it. But from past competitions most of the songs sounded the same to me.
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« Reply #36 on: 18:37:02, 13-05-2007 » |
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Many countries in Eurovision sing in English, and I think it's really a shame. I find it more interesting when they sing in their own languages. It doesn't matter that I can't understand the words (they are usually not very deep anyway), it's just the sound of the foreign words in songs that is interesting. You can listen to the voice just as an instrument if you don't understand the langauge.
I love the sounds of folk songs from France, Italy and Spain, and some I've heard from Scandinavian countries. I would love to hear more Eastern European or Russian singing, but they keep using English!
Furthermore, if there wasn't the pressure to always sing in English so as to be able to sell more records in the US, then there might be room for a wider range of vocal idioms relating to the many different European languages. |
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« Reply #37 on: 18:40:14, 13-05-2007 » |
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i'm going to stick my neck out and say that the Irish entry was the best one of the evening for me: tis the only one that i can remember anything of now. so even if it did come last (and undeservedly so imo) and the more traditional elements were almost completely obscured by the beatbox etc etc; it got through to me at least!
as regards ukraine: long live the silver teletubbies...
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« Reply #38 on: 18:44:31, 13-05-2007 » |
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What is strange here in Ireland in classical circles is that they completely ignore their own tradition. In my country we were brought up on the idea of respecting your own folklore so to say.
Here there is a big gap between traditional and classical musicians. Traditional musicians want no composer there. They have an oral tradition and don't want anything to be written down.
May be in pop music they use their tradition more than in classical music. There is no way in their compositions that I could say they are Irish. They sound like international middle of the road pieces (some music is more adventurous than other, but indistinct).
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« Reply #39 on: 18:57:25, 13-05-2007 » |
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i'm going to stick my neck out and say that the Irish entry was the best one of the evening for me: tis the only one that i can remember anything of now. so even if it did come last (and undeservedly so imo) and the more traditional elements were almost completely obscured by the beatbox etc etc; it got through to me at least!
as regards ukraine: long live the silver teletubbies...
wassername couldn't hit a note on the night though...and no, it *defintely* wasn't her just being all "modal" ("So that's what you call it nowadays?", I hear a certain person jest). |
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« Reply #40 on: 19:27:11, 13-05-2007 » |
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increpatio, You said your mother in a law was feeding you well. May be I am your Irish mother in a law? Although I have no sons or daughters, I recently started to eat too much. I have to start watching my figure again.
Irish music is very modal indeed. They use different modes than Russian music. There are pentatonic a lot in their songs. In this way they sound a lot like chinese.
There are other modes (Aeolian etc). I have not met an Irish song in Dorian mode yet. May be they have them too.
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« Reply #41 on: 19:44:43, 13-05-2007 » |
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One of my ex's cousins was Paddy Moloney who plays the Uleann pipes in The Chieftans. He's also written 2 symphonies. The Chieftans also play on the original recording of Malcolm Arnold's 7th Symphony. Paddy Moloney? That's abit of a coincidence, is it not? One of the performers with The Chieftans was Derek Bell, whom I knew; he also composed two symphonies among other things and was a pianist and harpist who additionally kept a large collection of instruments of the oboe family. He was a pupil of Herbert Howells. Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #42 on: 22:03:57, 13-05-2007 » |
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That's very interesting to know,Cheers Alastair. One of my ambitions is to do the PM ,and perhaps now the DB,
somewhere or other.
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« Reply #43 on: 10:01:56, 14-05-2007 » |
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increpatio, You said your mother in a law was feeding you well. May be I am your Irish mother in a law? Although I have no sons or daughters, I recently started to eat too much. I have to start watching my figure again. Mother-in-law? I didn't even know I had a wife! Irish music is very modal indeed. They use different modes than Russian music. There are pentatonic a lot in their songs. In this way they sound a lot like chinese.
There are other modes (Aeolian etc). I have not met an Irish song in Dorian mode yet. May be they have them too.
Hmm...I don't know any off hand, but I think it likely that there be some, given that it's only one note away from the Mixolydian. But yeah, I'm no expert. One of my ex's cousins was Paddy Moloney who plays the Uleann pipes in The Chieftans. He's also written 2 symphonies. The Chieftans also play on the original recording of Malcolm Arnold's 7th Symphony. Paddy Moloney? That's abit of a coincidence, is it not? One of the performers with The Chieftans was Derek Bell, whom I knew; he also composed two symphonies among other things and was a pianist and harpist who additionally kept a large collection of instruments of the oboe family. He was a pupil of Herbert Howells. Hmm; never knew that about either of them (no massive surprise, given that I wasn't toooo much of a fan). Interesting. |
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« Reply #44 on: 12:41:00, 14-05-2007 » |
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May I just point out that this year, I spotted 11 occasions where the key was hiked up by a tone (2 of them in the fabulous Ukrainian entry). That's out of 24 songs folks!
And yet there were only 3 occasions when peopel stood behind eachother and did wavy things with their arms (or 4 if you count Greece's entry).
Germany got my vote, followed by Ukraine, Latvia, Georgia (!), Sweden, Lithuania.
The rest weren't worth bothering about (musically), but I coudl see the merits of Moldova, Russia, and Macedonia.
UK was worthy of nul points
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