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Ian, where did you get your pet parrot? It's not an Norwegian Blue, is it?
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« Reply #76 on: 23:49:30, 20-10-2007 » |
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Ian, where did you get your pet parrot? It's not an Norwegian Blue, is it?
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #77 on: 23:50:20, 20-10-2007 » |
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with the exception of those who removed their memberships in protest, of course).
I'm uncertain whether that really is "of course"? It was one of the concerns which lay behind my question. We now have ex-members who said they were "never coming back" returning to start heated arguments (the same members who elsewhere have encouraged "leavers" to come over and delete their postings from here). Ah a lot of people left because they were angry at the moderation; I think that's pretty clear Reiner. And the mods at the time indicated that there was no possibility of change. So I think it worthwhile to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume their wanting to distance themselves from the board was predicated on the moderator situation. If you have any particular evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it. I see no reason why not to let them vote, really. They were encouraged, before, to 'vote with their feet', after all, before, and that is what they did. If you can think of any particular member of M&S who did not specifically remove their membership from R3oK because of the moderation kerfuffle (whatever about other things they might have said) and has now come back then I'd like to know who, as I can't think of anyone off-hand. Also: in the case that a faction might form, a PR system would be superior to the 3-vote system that's being proposed. |
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« Reply #78 on: 00:24:45, 21-10-2007 » |
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Oh good grief. I go away for four hours and come back to find that fisticuffs have broken out, someone's vommed on my prize azaleas and there's all kinds of hanky-panky going on in the bedroom! CUT IT OUT! NOMINATIONS:
JohnW - Seconded by Kittybriton
OlliverSudden - Seconded by Il Grande Inquisitor
richard barrett - Seconded by OlliverSudden
Ron Dough - Seconded by Jonathon
Antheil the Termite Lover - Seconded by Bryn
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Closing date for self nominations is Tuesday 23/10/2007 at 13:00
Closing date for Seconds is Tuesday 23/10/2007 at 19:00
Since then we can add Tommo - seconded by BobbyZ Frankly I don't care what Ian thinks about what happened or what he thinks the future of the forum is on this thread because he's not nominating himself as a moderator. Therefore all discussion about his views and about his suitability to post on this forum (FOR GOODNESS SAKE! WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING?) is off topic and should be moderated on these lines. If this is going to be anything except a farce, it should be carried out in a calm and sensible way not as a free-for-all. There are a number of completely fatuous assertions being made on all sides without any facts or figures to back them up. Please get a grip. This is not the way to conduct any form of 'truth and reconciliation. I love this forum and have great respect for just about everyone who posts here, but you on the face of it, I wouldn't trust you to organise your ways out of paper bags.  |
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« Reply #79 on: 00:28:34, 21-10-2007 » |
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« Reply #80 on: 00:34:44, 21-10-2007 » |
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Frankly I don't care what Ian thinks about what happened or what he thinks the future of the forum is on this thread because he's not nominating himself as a moderator. Therefore all discussion about his views and about his suitability to post on this forum (FOR GOODNESS SAKE! WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING?) is off topic and should be moderated on these lines. For Christ's sake, this is not about (or should not be about) my views, but about the issue of moderation on this board and its consequences. That is surely on-topic. Without seriously addressing the issues, old problems (and/or new ones) will recur. |
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« Reply #81 on: 00:37:06, 21-10-2007 » |
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Ah a lot of people left because they were angry at the moderation; I think that's pretty clear Reiner. And the mods at the time indicated that there was no possibility of change. So I think it worthwhile to give people the benefit of the doubt
And indeed I did, Incy I mentioned it first, and hoped that some people would come back as a result. Inspired by HH's timely intervention I have deleted the rest of what I'd written before discovering other posts had been made meantime. I didn't want to leave your entirely fair question unanswered. |
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« Reply #82 on: 00:38:23, 21-10-2007 » |
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Frankly I don't care what Ian thinks about what happened or what he thinks the future of the forum is on this thread because he's not nominating himself as a moderator. Therefore all discussion about his views and about his suitability to post on this forum (FOR GOODNESS SAKE! WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING?) is off topic and should be moderated on these lines. For Christ's sake, this is not about (or should not be about) my views, but about the issue of moderation on this board and its consequences. That is surely on-topic. Without seriously addressing the issues, old problems (and/or new ones) will recur. I agree that this shouldn't be about your views, but that's what it seems to have become. Discussion about the issue of moderation on this board doesn't belong on a thread which has been set up to nominate and elect new moderators. I don't think that I'm alone on this matter. Please start a new thread to discuss this. Thank you. I've had about enough of this. I really hope that things have calmed down by tomorrow. |
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« Reply #83 on: 00:38:43, 21-10-2007 » |
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OliverSudden - seconded by Il Grande Inquisitor
richard barrett - seconded by OliverSudden
Ron Dough - seconded by JonathAn
Antheil the Termite Lover - seconded by Bryn
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« Reply #84 on: 00:39:21, 21-10-2007 » |
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Antheil the Termite Lover - Seconded by Bryn
Sorry hh, I'll try not to upset you any more. Here's a serious point: Can we seriously allow someone ie Anna who has been more than once removed from this board and who currently breaks the rules by having more than one login id - see Anna Condor - to stand as a moderator? I know she's only doing it to wind everyone up but even so. |
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« Reply #85 on: 00:40:58, 21-10-2007 » |
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I agree that this shouldn't be about your views, but that's what it seems to have become. Well, that's not something I feel responsible for - I think you should address that to those who suggest that asking some questions about what is intended is supposedly merely a strategy to disrupt the thread. Discussion about the issue of moderation on this board doesn't belong on a thread which has been set up to nominate and elect new moderators. I don't think that I'm alone on this matter. Please start a new thread to discuss this. That might be a viable option were it not for the fact that the last threads which attempted such a thing have been removed entirely from public view. |
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« Reply #86 on: 00:47:42, 21-10-2007 » |
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AD, you might also have noted that as soon as I seconded her, she announced her withdrawal. That said, I think she woud make a good job of it, if elected.
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« Reply #87 on: 00:55:13, 21-10-2007 » |
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Good night everyone, don't argue all night. |
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« Reply #88 on: 01:03:08, 21-10-2007 » |
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Since we now have two fora, what on earth is the problem with each having its own identity and rules? The two are far from mutually exclusive, but there are surely certain subjects, and particular treatments and discussions of those subjects, which fall more comfortably into one or other of the boards' spheres?
The danger is still that the community will remain split, with loyalties being torn one way or the other, which in the long run damages us all. If r3ok seems more parochial and middle-class to some, then so be it: it's a free country and it's not a crime, particularly now that there's a separate area for political and intellectual discussions. By the same token I'm very aware that some find those not to their taste, and it's their prerogative to enjoy the quieter, less combative ambiance that r3ok has generally provided: this board is surely as seen as mainly as social and recreational by the majority of its members, and I fail to understand the problem in maintaining that as its prime objective.
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« Reply #89 on: 01:11:34, 21-10-2007 » |
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