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Author Topic: The London Underground: reflections  (Read 3439 times)
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« Reply #30 on: 15:39:16, 29-08-2007 »

Announcement on a Southern train to London from Brighton, a while ago:

"I apologise for the delay, which is due to bizarre goings-on in the Three Bridges signal box."
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« Reply #31 on: 16:13:53, 29-08-2007 »

How fascinating! Not London Underground, but back in the late '70's and early '80's I was a student in Ipswich, and my travels often took me past the Greyfriars complex; originally planned as a dynamic new shopping mall for the town, it failed miserably. While most commuters trotted quickly through the well-lit subways, I was endlessly intrigued by the static elevators and gigantic ramps that descended into stygean gloom where odd little shops struggled to survive, and odder characters apparently lurked. It was like exploring a Doctor Who set!

As a Suffolk boy, I have to ask - where on earth is/was this place?!


My favourite tube announcement was when stuck on the Circle line somewhere between Tower Hill and Liverpool Street: the driver told us that the delay was 'due to too many trains on too little track'.

If you know where the Willis Faber building is (aka the Black Blob), Greyfriars used to be (or perhaps still is) just across the road, in the general direction of the Railway station. I remember the last time I was in the area it all looked unrecognizably different.
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« Reply #32 on: 16:58:31, 29-08-2007 »

How fascinating! Not London Underground, but back in the late '70's and early '80's I was a student in Ipswich, and my travels often took me past the Greyfriars complex; originally planned as a dynamic new shopping mall for the town, it failed miserably. While most commuters trotted quickly through the well-lit subways, I was endlessly intrigued by the static elevators and gigantic ramps that descended into stygean gloom where odd little shops struggled to survive, and odder characters apparently lurked. It was like exploring a Doctor Who set!

As a Suffolk boy, I have to ask - where on earth is/was this place?!


My favourite tube announcement was when stuck on the Circle line somewhere between Tower Hill and Liverpool Street: the driver told us that the delay was 'due to too many trains on too little track'.

If you know where the Willis Faber building is (aka the Black Blob), Greyfriars used to be (or perhaps still is) just across the road, in the general direction of the Railway station. I remember the last time I was in the area it all looked unrecognizably different.
Sounds like it has disappeared - if it's where I'm thinking you mean, there's just an office block there now. http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=52.054872,1.150255&spn=0.002332,0.005665&t=k&z=18&om=1 (the Willis building has grass on its roof, clearly a disguise from Google snooping.  I see they did managed to snap a reserve match at Portman Road, though.)
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« Reply #33 on: 17:01:44, 29-08-2007 »

In the 1970s I had my bottom pinched by two grrls on the Central Line at Oxford Street tube.
Then they just stared at me; somehow, that taught me something...

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« Reply #34 on: 17:26:10, 29-08-2007 »

In the 1970s I had my bottom pinched by two grrls on the Central Line at Oxford Street tube.

Typical yoof. Did you ever get it back?
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« Reply #35 on: 17:37:48, 29-08-2007 »

Does anyone else ever get the East London line from New Cross gate to Whitechapel in the morning? I haven't heard him very recently, but about once a week there's a driver with a lovely sing-song accent (Jamaican?) who at every stop says:

'Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you had a pleasant journey. And, whoever you are, whatever the weather, -- have a nice day!'

It's the 'whatever the weather' that always makes me smile.

PS. Ruth, I sometimes get that N171 over Waterloo Bridge too. Lovely night-time views, as you say!
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« Reply #36 on: 17:41:33, 29-08-2007 »

I realise there are parts of the London Underground I don't ever recall venturing upon - Central Line further than Leyton on one end or Acton on the other, hardly ever the more Eastwards part of the district, Piccadilly past Caledonian Road, nor especially the Metropolitan line in its Western parts (I gather it's particularly bumpy up there?), in fact hardly ever the Metropolitan line at all. What are they like?
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« Reply #37 on: 17:50:41, 29-08-2007 »

I realise there are parts of the London Underground I don't ever recall venturing upon
Yes, it's funny, that. The Central line is the one I've used most over my time in London (6 years next month) - I used to live on it, I now work on it (though more often get the East London line and then a bus up to Bethnal Green from Whitechapel). I've lived in 2 or 3 places up past Caledonian Rd so am quite familiar with the Piccadilly line too, though I've never been as far as Cockfosters, where apparently you can come out straight into the countryside and be surrounded by fields and lovely walks (or so I'm told - must try it some day)!

I'm also now quite familiar with the Southern overground network, since I've lived down there for two and a half years now, and I've been up the Northern line often enough. The part of London I've hardly ever been to is West (unless you count Heathrow): went to Acton once and it seemed to take forever! Don't think I've ever been further than Royal Oak/Queen's Park/Kilburn on the NW London lines.
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« Reply #38 on: 17:57:03, 29-08-2007 »

I really love maps, including those of the Underground - here's one from 1937

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« Reply #39 on: 18:01:21, 29-08-2007 »

I'm also now quite familiar with the Southern overground network, since I've lived down there for two and a half years now, and I've been up the Northern line often enough. The part of London I've hardly ever been to is West (unless you count Heathrow): went to Acton once and it seemed to take forever!
Oh, you should try Richmond some time - the view from the hill is spectacular, and the park is wonderful. Also there's a very nice place selling German beer and sausages and the like by the waterfront (Richmond/Ham/Petersham area is where the majority of the German community in London live).
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« Reply #40 on: 18:03:54, 29-08-2007 »

Ian, what a great map. (I love 'em too.) Amazing how little it's changed in 70 years!
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« Reply #41 on: 18:06:31, 29-08-2007 »

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« Reply #42 on: 18:06:38, 29-08-2007 »

I really love maps, including those of the Underground - here's one from 1937
That's great to see, actually. I knew that Bethnal Green station was only built at the end of the War but somehow hadn't clicked that there was no Central line east of Liverpool St before then. I also didn't realise the whole of the present-day East London line already existed 70 years ago (in fact, there was more of it then, as Shoreditch station is now permanently closed, preparatory to the north- and southbound extensions of that line due to open in 2010).*

That means I could still have taken the same route to work that I take today, but wouldn't have been able to get into town afterwards without taking a bus to Liverpool St first.

Edit: I've just spotted that of course Canada Water station was missing from the East London line in 1937 - was that only built with the rest of the Jubilee Line in the last couple of decades, I wonder? Also, Surrey Quays (as it is now) was called Surrey Docks.

And I had no idea at all that St Paul's (between Chancery Lane and Bank on the Central line) used to be called Post Office! Shocked
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« Reply #43 on: 19:53:45, 29-08-2007 »

A link to a map of D6, also known as "Metro-2"... the "secret" Moscow Metro, built to move top Party officials around Moscow in secret in the days of the USSR.  Also includes complete underground sections leading to military airports (Vnukovo-2) and other secret military installations. The green line was being built even as late as 1997 (!), leading to the Presidential dacha at Barvikha.

http://www.metro.ru/map/secret_map.html

Although it is now widely known to exist, there is still no official confirmation of the system's existence. A look at a geographical map of the stations of the Moscow Metro (rather than the familiar "schematic" map found throughout the system) shows a clear glaring gap in the system, where the central station of D6 is located...  of course it's "Moscow Kremlin".  There are two stations of the "public" metro where D6 runs so close that it actually interferes with the system, as a "giveaway" to its existence.  The convoluted pedestrian tunnels linking the lines at Biblioteka/Arbatskaya/Borovitskaya/Alexandrovsky-Sad gives the game away... why isn't the other station named "Arbatskaya" accessible through a pedestrian tunnel too?  Similarly, why are there two adjacent Smolenskaya stations on different lines, but no pedestrian tunnel to link them?  The answer in both cases is that D6 is "in the way".

For hardened metro fans, this page (sorry, Russian only) has links to photos of all the stations, often including original architects plans for them and other material on them:
http://www.metro.ru/stations/
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« Reply #44 on: 20:34:01, 29-08-2007 »

I, too, think the underground maps are fascinating and quite beautiful...

this site has got lots of pictures of the tube in varying stages of construction:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebillson/tube/tube.html#1889
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