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« Reply #1290 on: 23:42:22, 15-03-2008 » |
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A New Record for Speedy Solving! It gives us great pleasure to announce that Mr. Inquisitor has set a new record, in that he solved puzzle 360 in fifty-four seconds. This easily surpasses Mr. Sudden's long-standing record of one minute four seconds. And as we write Mr. Sudden and Mr. Inquisitor are still surging through the ranks on their way to new heights. These are great days for the two- to sixty-second repertoire test. Congratulations to Mr. Inquisitor! |
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« Reply #1291 on: 23:44:35, 15-03-2008 » |
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We are much exercised by Mr. Thompson's puzzle 343. It sounds like something written by some one who has heard Gurrelieder, yet we are practically certain it is not itself from Gurrelieder. Nothing of Webern or Zemlinsky seems to fit, and we eagerly await further developments.
Well, Novak was a friend of Zemlinsky's, I believe.... Tommo |
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« Reply #1292 on: 23:53:30, 15-03-2008 » |
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A New Record for Speedy Solving! It gives us great pleasure to announce that Mr. Inquisitor has set a new record, in that he solved puzzle 360 in fifty-four seconds. This easily surpasses Mr. Sudden's long-standing record of one minute four seconds. And as we write Mr. Sudden and Mr. Inquisitor are still surging through the ranks on their way to new heights. These are great days for the two- to sixty-second repertoire test. Congratulations to Mr. Inquisitor! Many thanks, Mr Grew. It was one of those files which downloaded incredibly quickly and was a snatch I identified immediately as Chausson, it being one of my favourite violin pieces. I wonder if Mr 1780 knows the chamber version for violin, string quartet and piano recorded for the excellent Hyperion company? To Mr Barrett's probable relief, we have no idea as to Puzzle No.361, other than it appearing to have a Spanish flavour. We shall leave the floor open for him to sweep in with an answer...  |
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« Reply #1293 on: 23:59:25, 15-03-2008 » |
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Well, Novak was a friend of Zemlinsky's, I believe.... But our waffle about Gurrelieder was quite out of place, since the Serenade opus 9 appeared as early as 1894, during the twilight years of Brahms. As in the case of a great many other puzzles which we have been unable to solve we do even possess a recording of this lovely Serenade; it has all been a lesson that we should collect less and listen more! |
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« Reply #1294 on: 00:05:17, 16-03-2008 » |
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It has all been a lesson that we should collect less and listen more!
But, Mr Grew, with so many intriguing snatches posted here, it has had many of us buying even more discs! I am now going to settle down to listen to the Schreker disc which landed on the doormat this morning, prompted by Mr Barrett's Puzzle No.273 - Prelude to a Drama. |
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« Reply #1295 on: 00:24:00, 16-03-2008 » |
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Puzzle 327 - how about Charpentier - Sonate for 8 instruments?
Oui Madame! which seems clear-cut enough does it not? We read that is to say 327 and not 325 do not we? We do. But however that may be, whichever Puzzle Mme Antheil thought she was getting right, it was actually no.325 which she did get right, and no.327 at whose heels Mr Inquisitor is currently snapping. We regret to inform the Member that the true state of affairs is not quite what he thinks it to be. If we understand him correctly this latest twist or revelation means that: 1) reply 2133 [ "Puzzle 327 - how about Charpentier - Sonate for 8 instruments?"] is an incorrect answer; 2) reply 2134 [ "Oui Madame!"] is an incorrect response to an incorrect answer (we do not think we have had one of those before, and the rules do not seem to anticipate the situation, so we'll just dock 75 points); 3) neither puzzle 325 nor puzzle 327 has yet been solved!(We prefer to leave forever aside in the too-difficult basket at this late date any further question of the validity of reply 2144 considering that it now appears that there actually were three unsolved puzzles at the time of its posting.) |
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« Reply #1296 on: 01:17:55, 16-03-2008 » |
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I've lost interest. We hope the Member's interest will rekindle at an early date. Minor misunderstandings are inevitable in human intercourse - it lies in the imprecise nature of language - but they can usually be surmounted by ensuring that one steps only on large stones and minds the gaps. May we add that he has been thus far a valuable contributor to this forum of mutual amusement and has submitted consistently fascinating puzzles of great intrinsic worth? |
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« Reply #1297 on: 01:27:37, 16-03-2008 » |
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Minor misunderstandings are inevitable in human intercourse - it lies in the imprecise nature of language - but they can usually be surmounted by ensuring that one steps only on large stones and minds the gaps. They can even more usually be surmounted by persons who are or who have placed themselves in the position of rule-maker acceding to the in human intercourse often advantageous habit of 'using common sense'. But of course cussedness can also be a virtue of sorts, or an amusement at least. |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #1298 on: 08:06:31, 16-03-2008 » |
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I am sure that the confusion over Mr Barrett's puzzles stems from the original deletion (by Member Grew) of two of his extracts (which had it was thought exceeded the number permitted). But it also seems that the confusion was no less in the mind of the setter than it continues to be in that of others, especially me. Noted is the following, timed yesterday at 22.42: 325 - Charpentier's Le Mariage Forcé?
Heaven forfend that I should break Mr Grew's iron law by setting a theatre piece as a Puzzle! Really, Mr Inquisitor, what kind of scoundrel do you take me for? Anyway, it is not by Charpentier. Yet within 1 hour and 20 minutes the following was submitted by the same setter: Puzzle 325 is Charpentier's Sonate à huit.
Puzzle 327 is Monteverdi's Tempro la cetra from his Seventh Book of Madrigals.
Puzzle 362 is Sorabji's Le jardin parfumé.
Puzzle 363 is Cage's Sixteen Dances.
All my Puzzles have now been solved and I've lost interest.
The puzzle to which I thought I had always ascribed authorship to Charpentier was 325 (which Mr Barrett insists - in conformity with his above listing - was the puzzle being correctly recognized by Madame Antheil). Yet in his previous message (above) Mr Inquisitor is categorically informed that it was not by Charpentier. I am sure that this is a confusion of numbering, and nothing more. Baz |
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« Reply #1299 on: 08:20:32, 16-03-2008 » |
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Regarding Puzzles 325 and 327, I am sorry if I have caused this upset. Upon looking back I did type 327 as being the Charpentier Sonate to which Richard replied that was the correct answer. I even had 327 scribbled on a piece of paper.  So I take the blame for not scrolling back to the original placement of the Puzzle and checking the number. However, whatever the number, I did identify the Charpentier  and therefore claim the points |
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« Reply #1300 on: 08:25:29, 16-03-2008 » |
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Confusion over numbering can easily be overcome by making it a rule that each downloaded snatch file must state unambiguously the Puzzle number to which it relates. That way if a puzzle is deleted from the competition it can never be confused with another snatch (since that too will bear its own puzzle number which will be different from all others).
Many setters (myself included lately) have found that it is more convenient to create snatches in a short working session to be used later at some (then) unspecified time. Accordingly their filenames are left 'unspecific' (as far as the Competition is concerned). Unfortunately (and probably rarely) this leaves open the possibility of ambiguity as to which actual Puzzle they were attached.
I have occasionally found before posting a snatch with a dedicated 'Puzzle number' that at the point of posting another member has unexpectedly posted one with the same number - and this has meant renaming the file, and uploading it again (which is tiresome). But taking the easy route of leaving the filename 'open' can cause exactly the kind of difficulty we have just witnessed, and this can be injurious to the smooth running of the competition, and to the contentedness of those taking part (especially the setters, as in this unfortunate case).
I should also like to say that I have found Richard's puzzles fascinating and extremely educative - and I should not like him to feel so frustrated by the technicalities of the 'rules' that he loses interest.
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« Reply #1301 on: 09:00:49, 16-03-2008 » |
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Baz,
You write an awful lot of sense about the naming of files with the puzzle number and the experience of finding that someone has, in the meantime, posted one with the same number whilst you are uploading. I would suggest that one way to get around this might be to post a message in the test thread reserving the intended puzzle number, on the understanding that an edited message is being composed and the puzzles uploaded at that time.
e.g. Puzzle No.360 coming here soon...
Then, someone coming along in the meantime know not to 'take' that number but upload theirs as 361.
I too hope that common sense will prevail, that Sydney will overlook what was an entirely understandable mistake and that Ricjard rejoins us soon as his snatches, although often not known at all by me, have been fascinating to listen to and have opened my ears to some new composers/ compositions.
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« Reply #1302 on: 09:12:29, 16-03-2008 » |
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I agree IGI, this thread has been both educational and illuminating (although not all Members of the MB concur) and Richard's snatches have been fascinating, whilst Bryn's have been even more so Now, if only I could figure out how to load a Puzzle ... |
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« Reply #1303 on: 09:21:12, 16-03-2008 » |
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Uploading a puzzle is relatively straightforward, Anty - either http://rapidshare.com/ or http://www.sendspace.com/ do it simply; we have a forum account for SendSpace (user name = r3boards; password = radio3). How members edit the tracks to under one minute will probably vary a bit. As I have iTunes (which is free to download, you don't need to have an iPod to use it) I edit the timings under 'play options' before 'ripping' the track. Don't forget to edit out the name of the piece, orchestras, singers, conductors etc! |
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« Reply #1304 on: 09:28:53, 16-03-2008 » |
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I did sign up to SendSpace on Friday IGI, but then I thought, how much Frank Zappa can you guys take? Conducted by Boulez of course. Strictly classical. Seriously, I did upload one but it was a wma ? Not a mp3. |
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