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Author Topic: Two- to Sixty-second Repertoire Test Discussion  (Read 18090 times)
Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1305 on: 10:01:27, 16-03-2008 »

Two members have invoked "common sense" above. The common-sense philosophers of the Scottish school - including Thomas Reid, Dugald Stewart, James Beattie, George Campbell, and James Oswald - argued against George Berkeley and David Hume that ordinary human perception and moral judgment need not be defended against sceptical inquiry but ought to be taken as self-evident. As Campbell put it, "to maintain propositions the reverse of the primary truths of common sense, doth not imply a contradiction, it only implies insanity" (The Philosophy of Rhetoric, 1776). But the common-sense school was criticized by Immanuel Kant for its "appeal to the opinion of the multitude" (Prolegomena, 1783), while in his Critique of Judgment (1790) he distinguished between "sensus communis," considered as an idea of a comparative sense, and "common human understanding," which includes qualities exhibited by all normal human reason. Joseph Priestley wrote in his "examination" of Reid, Beattie, and Oswald (1774) that common sense is only for persons of "middling" capacities.

Indeed one difficulty with the idea of common sense is the variety of meanings attached to it even by thinkers in close geographical and historical proximity.

Since we ourself are like Kant almost entirely devoid on principle of common sense finding the idea provocative even we are not sure what if anything members wish us now to do. It is a frightful fag to trawl back through all those compounded and conflicting errors again and again and we would now much rather do nothing.

If though there is something further a particular member wishes us to do, we ask him or her to state it clearly here in this thread. We shall then let it lie here for twenty-four hours in case other members have objections or other possibly incompatible requests, and after the expiry of that period without objection etc. we shall act upon the request which is to say do it.

Let it be noted finally that Buddhism is almost totally opposed to common-sense philosophy.
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Antheil
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« Reply #1306 on: 10:33:22, 16-03-2008 »

Dearest Sydney, It gives me warm feelings to think of you, the other side of the hemispehre. As the sun rises over us, it sets on you yet 12 hours ahead, how then can this be possible?.   Is the world indeed flat?  I wonder how many angels may balance upon the head of a pin?

Is this real life, is this reality?

Aha, Buddishm is totally opposed to common sense reality you say.

Gotta think about that as opposed to Catholicism
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« Reply #1307 on: 11:00:43, 16-03-2008 »

Thank you Mr. Thompson - we considered holding back for four and three-quarter days so as to pump up your points but a little voice said no. . . . not this time anyway.

Thank you for even considering such a move.  I an quite happy not to receive a huge bonus.  I am acutely aware that a very small minority of my points have actually been gained from identifying pieces, I ould not really like that imbalance to to artificially inflated!

Mr 1780
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« Reply #1308 on: 11:06:50, 16-03-2008 »

If though there is something further a particular member wishes us to do, we ask him or her to state it clearly here in this thread. We shall then let it lie here for twenty-four hours in case other members have objections or other possibly incompatible requests, and after the expiry of that period without objection etc. we shall act upon the request which is to say do it.

I would suggest that you should accept Mme Antheil's Charpentier response as the answer to No.325, as it is clear that this was the snatch she was referring to, and reinstate any points both she and Mr Barrett gained for it.

I would also repeat my suggestion of allowing members to 'reserve' a puzzle number to allow time to upload a post or posts, ensuring that the puzzle number is included in the mp3 file name.
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« Reply #1309 on: 11:23:34, 16-03-2008 »

Oh Bless IGI, I knew me Carpentier, but if I am do be chastised, so be it.

So Esteemed Sydney I posted 327 when, erroneously, I should have posted 325 but I was caught up in the mayhem of the Rugby at the time, and my mind was wandering like Natalie Merchant
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #1310 on: 11:50:52, 16-03-2008 »

Hurrah! In 54 seconds too, beating Mr Sudden's best, we believe?!

Hélas !  Cry

We congratulate Member Inquisitor. Surely 54 seconds must be close to the 36-run over or to the break of 147!

We must console ourselves with the memory of our own single post solving three puzzles each a mere six minutes old. 1,062 points if we reckon correctly. A feat requiring not quite such a favourable constellation of circumstance as quick downloads and refreshing one's page at precisely the right instant.

<discreet polishing of slightly chipped tusks>  Wink
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« Reply #1311 on: 11:59:27, 16-03-2008 »

We must console ourselves with the memory of our own single post solving three puzzles each a mere six minutes old. 1,062 points if we reckon correctly. A feat requiring not quite such a favourable constellation of circumstance as quick downloads and refreshing one's page at precisely the right instant.

<discreet polishing of slightly chipped tusks>  Wink

A memorable feat, indeed, Mr Sudden, made moreso by the fact that we tossed up those particular deliveries....!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #1312 on: 12:03:22, 16-03-2008 »

Indeed, Mr Inquisitor. A veritable Malcolm Nash to our Sir Garfield Sobers.  Cheesy
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« Reply #1313 on: 12:07:09, 16-03-2008 »

If though there is something further a particular member wishes us to do, we ask him or her to state it clearly here in this thread. We shall then let it lie here for twenty-four hours in case other members have objections or other possibly incompatible requests, and after the expiry of that period without objection etc. we shall act upon the request which is to say do it.

I would suggest that you should accept Mme Antheil's Charpentier response as the answer to No.325, as it is clear that this was the snatch she was referring to, and reinstate any points both she and Mr Barrett gained for it.

I would also repeat my suggestion of allowing members to 'reserve' a puzzle number to allow time to upload a post or posts, ensuring that the puzzle number is included in the mp3 file name.

I should suggest - in order to remove the complexity and inconvenience of needing to cross-reference the two threads - that Mr Grew consider the following methodology:

a) introduce on the 'Test' thread a further category of posting: a stated 'RESERVATION FOR PUZZLE NO. X'

b) an understood permission for that poster then to edit this message with the appropriate Puzzle number entered for access

c) the introduction of a further points penalty: if the person who reserved a posting for the purpose of later inserting the actual puzzle fails to do so within 1 hour then he/she automatically loses 500 points.

Baz
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« Reply #1314 on: 12:19:21, 16-03-2008 »

We see in Member Baz's third suggestion a further fine opportunity for our self-styled denizens of the deep to accumulate points in their preferred shade of crimson! We also support the idea of a reservation posting. Of course the post as edited will then automatically show the correct puzzle starting time. Having file names which include the puzzle number is certainly a great convenience.

The requirement to include the puzzle number in a solution posting also seems quite reasonable.

Perhaps a transition period of polite reminders might usefully be allowed to intervene before penalties be automatically incurred?

And for what it is worth we support the proposed resolution in the matter of the Charpentier puzzle.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #1315 on: 15:04:17, 16-03-2008 »

How members edit the tracks to under one minute will probably vary a bit. As I have iTunes (which is free to download, you don't need to have an iPod to use it) I edit the timings under 'play options' before 'ripping' the track. Don't forget to edit out the name of the piece, orchestras, singers, conductors etc!

Could you please tell me where these 'play options' are, IGI? I can import a whole track into iTunes but not cut it down to about a minute. For that, I have been using something called Sound Studio (which came with the Mac). But that cannot save files in mp3 format, so I then import it into iTunes to do the necessary conversion. It would be more convenient just to use iTunes, though.
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« Reply #1316 on: 16:34:08, 16-03-2008 »

Let's see if any records can be broken in solving these:

Puzzle 365
Oh bugler. You're going to hear the sound of hand slapping forehead from where you are when someone gets this one. I know I've heard it dozens of times but haven't the slightest idea what it is.
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« Reply #1317 on: 16:59:33, 16-03-2008 »

How members edit the tracks to under one minute will probably vary a bit. As I have iTunes (which is free to download, you don't need to have an iPod to use it) I edit the timings under 'play options' before 'ripping' the track. Don't forget to edit out the name of the piece, orchestras, singers, conductors etc!

Could you please tell me where these 'play options' are, IGI? I can import a whole track into iTunes but not cut it down to about a minute. For that, I have been using something called Sound Studio (which came with the Mac). But that cannot save files in mp3 format, so I then import it into iTunes to do the necessary conversion. It would be more convenient just to use iTunes, though.

Right click over the track concerned, Tony, then click the 'Options' tab, then you can adjust the start and stop times.  Smiley
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« Reply #1318 on: 20:14:05, 16-03-2008 »

For puzzle 345 I shall have a stab at Prokofiev's The Buffoon.

You are a Perfect Fool for making such a wild guess, ollie.
20 points is 20 points, Bryn. Wink
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« Reply #1319 on: 20:47:20, 16-03-2008 »

Regarding Puzzle 342. I wonder if the dates offered by SCGrew were not those of the first public performances of the respective quartets? The dates of composition given by Emile Wennekes are 1912, 1917, 1918, 1923, 1927 and 1928. Paul Hindemith and his viola participated in the premiers of the second and fourth  quartets.
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