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« Reply #1335 on: 23:57:10, 16-03-2008 » |
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This is a classic example of a post that will automatically lose 75 points for being 'off topic' (a mistake I have been seduced into making a number of times!). Here is Puzzle 373. Will anybody who participated in this, or any other performance of the work, in this, or an earlier version, please have the good grace to refrain from attempting a solution to the puzzle? Puzzle 373 The Great Learning Paragraphs 2 and 7 (1971; re-released 2002) (Deutsche Grammophon/Universal Classics 471 572).  Good heavens no. That was just excerpts from the published edition. This is something quite different in structure and ethos. I haven't performed in any version of Paragraph 2, but I feel I'm being a little bit sneaky because I have performed Paragraphs 1, 5, 6 and 7. I will suck lemons later as penance (mmmmmm lemons nom nom nom). Is this the Maoist revision of Paragraph 2 of The Great Learning that the Scratch Orchestra performed in 1972? Quite right, hh. In fact, the very end of the Proms performance. Not only was a different translation (by Cardew, rather than Pound) used, but there were specifically four drummers, who, for the final rhythm, played the one which Cardew nicknamed Brabazon, rather than one they each chose for themselves, and it was played in strict canon. Also in complete contrast to the original score and ethos, they ended together, with all but one playing an incomplete cycle of Brabazon at the end. |
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« Reply #1336 on: 00:00:29, 17-03-2008 » |
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This is a classic example of a post that will automatically lose 75 points for being 'off topic' (a mistake I have been seduced into making a number of times!). Here is Puzzle 373. Will anybody who participated in this, or any other performance of the work, in this, or an earlier version, please have the good grace to refrain from attempting a solution to the puzzle? Puzzle 373 The Great Learning Paragraphs 2 and 7 (1971; re-released 2002) (Deutsche Grammophon/Universal Classics 471 572). Good heavens no. That was just excerpts from the published edition. This is something quite different in structure and ethos. I haven't performed in any version of Paragraph 2, but I feel I'm being a little bit sneaky because I have performed Paragraphs 1, 5, 6 and 7. I will suck lemons later as penance (mmmmmm lemons nom nom nom). Is this the Maoist revision of Paragraph 2 of The Great Learning that the Scratch Orchestra performed in 1972? Quite right, hh. In fact, the very end of the Proms performance. Not only was a different translation (by Cardew, rather than Pound) used, but there were specifically four drummers, who, for the final rhythm, played the one which Cardew nicknamed Brabazon, rather than one they each chose for themselves, and it was played in strict canon. Also in complete contrast to the original score and ethos, they ended together, with all but one playing an incomplete cycle of Brabazon at the end. But Baz - it's a post signalling (most importantly) that my guess was correct. In this case surely it's on topic....? Or are the rules governing this quiz becoming ever more arcane and bizarre? At this rate we'll all have to have a thread where we ask permission to post before we get anywhere near the thing. |
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« Reply #1337 on: 00:03:56, 17-03-2008 » |
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are the rules governing this quiz becoming ever more arcane and bizarre?
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« Reply #1338 on: 00:04:39, 17-03-2008 » |
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I've read the rules as carefully as I can at this time of night and nowhere can I see where it says that opera (or staged works) is not allowed. It only says that "jazz and pops" are not allowed.
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« Reply #1339 on: 00:05:17, 17-03-2008 » |
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This is a classic example of a post that will automatically lose 75 points for being 'off topic' (a mistake I have been seduced into making a number of times!).
How so. It confirmed the correct solution put forward by hh, and explained how the particular version of the work might be differentiated from the published edition, which two contributors had previously ventured to suggest was the solution. What is of topic about that? |
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« Reply #1340 on: 00:06:28, 17-03-2008 » |
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I've read the rules as carefully as I can at this time of night and nowhere can I see where it says that opera (or staged works) is not allowed. It only says that "jazz and pops" are not allowed.
Ah, but it does say: the "classical repertoire" here means music written between 1500 and 2000, and normally performed in concert halls or churches, the opera house is not specifically mentioned, which is a pity. |
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« Reply #1341 on: 00:10:16, 17-03-2008 » |
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I've read the rules as carefully as I can at this time of night and nowhere can I see where it says that opera (or staged works) is not allowed. It only says that "jazz and pops" are not allowed.
I think that the salient regulation is as follows: 1) the "classical repertoire" here means music written between 1500 and 2000, and normally performed in concert halls or churches; "jazz" and "pops" are specifically excluded. It's the 'normally performed in concert halls or churches' that determines the rather peculiar limitation. |
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« Reply #1342 on: 00:16:26, 17-03-2008 » |
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Not having played this game for some time I've slightly lost track of the rules for setting and scoring. I think I'm right in gathering that a Member is permitted three open snatches at any given time, but if someone could enlighten me (over in the Discussion thread) on the rules for when clues can and indeed whether there is a point at which clues must be given, I would be most grateful.
Tinners, you can indeed have three 'open' puzzles, but cannot post a clue on the official thread (for which you score 75 points) until 10 hours have elapsed. You may post up to five clues per snatch. You can, however, post clues here without points or penalty! You don't have to post clues, but if your puzzles elapse unsolved, you don't score any of the time bonus points.  |
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« Reply #1343 on: 00:26:23, 17-03-2008 » |
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Thanks for the explanation IGI! cannot post a clue on the official thread ... until 10 hours have elapsed That's very convenient ... It means I can start posting clues as soon as I wake up in the morning.  |
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« Reply #1344 on: 00:28:36, 17-03-2008 » |
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Not having played this game for some time I've slightly lost track of the rules for setting and scoring. I think I'm right in gathering that a Member is permitted three open snatches at any given time, but if someone could enlighten me (over in the Discussion thread) on the rules for when clues can and indeed whether there is a point at which clues must be given, I would be most grateful.
Tinners, you can indeed have three 'open' puzzles, but cannot post a clue on the official thread (for which you score 75 points) until 10 hours have elapsed. You may post up to five clues per snatch. You can, however, post clues here without points or penalty! You don't have to post clues, but if your puzzles elapse unsolved, you don't score any of the time bonus points. To which excellent summary may we just add that all the rules including their most recent emendations are set out here in the first message of the competition thread. |
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« Reply #1345 on: 00:31:49, 17-03-2008 » |
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Puzzle 374: set by Mr. Bryn, solved by Mr. Sudden [Partch Windsong]
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« Reply #1346 on: 00:35:08, 17-03-2008 » |
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To which excellent summary may we just add that all the rules including their most recent emendations are set out here in the first message of the competition thread. I had guessed they might be, but I'm one of those people for whom reading the instruction manual is always the last rather than the first resort. (I prefer to guess the rules based on my observation of the machine in action, and when unsure consult a more experienced user, even when I know the clarification I need may be obtained with ease from an obvious written source.) Don't ask me why, it's psychological. |
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« Reply #1347 on: 00:55:00, 17-03-2008 » |
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Puzzle 374: set by Mr. Bryn, solved by Mr. Sudden Harmony [Partch Windsong]
Ahem? Sorry - put right now. |
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« Reply #1348 on: 00:56:44, 17-03-2008 » |
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Puzzle 374: set by Mr. Bryn, solved by Mr. Sudden Harmony [Partch Windsong]
Ahem? Sorry - put right now. Thanks!  |
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« Reply #1349 on: 01:08:16, 17-03-2008 » |
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Don't ask me why, it's psychological. From which year does the rise of the psychological as explanation date? 1908 we think. Of course the second great scourge of the twentieth century after the interstellar dust cloud of that year was the introduction of the continental quilt around 1966. This meant that Englishmen were no longer able to make fine adjustments to the temperature of their nocturnal environment a fact which directly led to a variety of irreversible consequences in their diurnal activities. |
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