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Author Topic: Two- to Sixty-second Repertoire Test Discussion  (Read 18090 times)
Baz
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« Reply #1350 on: 02:49:53, 17-03-2008 »

This is a classic example of a post that will automatically lose 75 points for being 'off topic' (a mistake I have been seduced into making a number of times!).


How so. It confirmed the correct solution put forward by hh, and explained how the particular version of the work might be differentiated from the published edition, which two contributors had previously ventured to suggest was the solution. What is of topic about that?

Apologies to Bryn (and hh) - I misread all those nested boxes. Your points are safe!

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« Reply #1351 on: 03:19:37, 17-03-2008 »

We are surprised to see Member Baz up so late! One of our chief worries in offering up our snatches so tardily was that we had deprived him of the opportunity to score points by identifying our number 378, since it seemed to lie so neatly "within his field".

We have just been looking at Mr Grew's tremendously impressive and carefully kept 'Repertoire Records' sticky thread. Without wishing to detract from the overall highly positive impression we are troubled and feel able to keep silent no longer about the unclosed square bracket in the citation for Puzzle 258. We are also somewhat bothered by the non-capitalisation of the initial 's' of the word 'suite' on its several (and might we say in the spirit of Mr Grew's guidelines for the test thread regrettable) occurrences. Somehow we find this particularly troubling in the phrase '2nd Cinderella suite', where the presence of an ordinal numeral adjective (qualifying as it does 'suite' rather than 'Cinderella'!) seems to make the lack of capitalisation all the more noticeable and disturbing.

While we are at it we suppose we may say also that we have never before seen the word 'fresco' given a plural of 7 rather than 8 letters, even though we are sure that some lexicographical authority sanctions such a procedure (there is always one is there not?).

We would like to end by wishing Members (aware as we are that most of them tucked up under their continental quilts are already sound asleep) sweet dreams. As our grandmother would have cautioned them: 'Mind the bed bugs don't bite.'
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Baz
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« Reply #1352 on: 07:58:52, 17-03-2008 »

We are surprised to see Member Baz up so late! One of our chief worries in offering up our snatches so tardily was that we had deprived him of the opportunity to score points by identifying our number 378, since it seemed to lie so neatly "within his field".

We have just been looking at Mr Grew's tremendously impressive and carefully kept 'Repertoire Records' sticky thread. Without wishing to detract from the overall highly positive impression we are troubled and feel able to keep silent no longer about the unclosed square bracket in the citation for Puzzle 258. We are also somewhat bothered by the non-capitalisation of the initial 's' of the word 'suite' on its several (and might we say in the spirit of Mr Grew's guidelines for the test thread regrettable) occurrences. Somehow we find this particularly troubling in the phrase '2nd Cinderella suite', where the presence of an ordinal numeral adjective (qualifying as it does 'suite' rather than 'Cinderella'!) seems to make the lack of capitalisation all the more noticeable and disturbing.

While we are at it we suppose we may say also that we have never before seen the word 'fresco' given a plural of 7 rather than 8 letters, even though we are sure that some lexicographical authority sanctions such a procedure (there is always one is there not?).

We would like to end by wishing Members (aware as we are that most of them tucked up under their continental quilts are already sound asleep) sweet dreams. As our grandmother would have cautioned them: 'Mind the bed bugs don't bite.'

In my experience, the usual reason why Members on this side of the globe find themselves exercising their minds on this MB during the early hours (especially between 2am and 3am) is because they are worrying themselves too much about too little.

Another case in point is that of myself this morning. I was awoken unexpectedly by a strange nightmare in which the very snatch for which I had been waiting over many weeks was itself snatched from the jaws of victory by no less a Member than Mr Grew himself!

Baz
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« Reply #1353 on: 10:03:50, 17-03-2008 »

While we are at it we suppose we may say also that we have never before seen the word 'fresco' given a plural of 7 rather than 8 letters, even though we are sure that some lexicographical authority sanctions such a procedure (there is always one is there not?).
We do not possess a dictionary of the English language but note that Wikipedia lists both plurals.

There is no great regularity here is there? Tomatoes and potatoes but bongos and concertos. If anything concerto seems closest to fresco in ancestry.

We note that the Italians themselves seem to prefer the word affresco. So surely the true pedant would in any case say affreschi and have done with it? Martinů's work can in any case simply be designated Fresky Piera della Francesca [pro velký orchestr, H. 352] e basta!
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« Reply #1354 on: 10:11:17, 17-03-2008 »

Puzzle 381 -- the soloist as well as the composer, please!

Puzzle 382 -- as compensation, here you don't have to give the title. Just the composer will be difficult enough.

Puzzle 383 -- and for this one, composer and work as usual.

P.S. I hereby reboyce rejoice!!
Meester Fragment! I is hearing nosseeng!
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Baz
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« Reply #1355 on: 10:24:06, 17-03-2008 »

Puzzle 381 -- the soloist as well as the composer, please!

Puzzle 382 -- as compensation, here you don't have to give the title. Just the composer will be difficult enough.

Puzzle 383 -- and for this one, composer and work as usual.

P.S. I hereby reboyce rejoice!!
Meester Fragment! I is hearing nosseeng!

It was playing OK when I tried it - it's a piece of English music for the virginals (a Gavotte I'd say) but I haven't yet worked out who it's by.

The problem with all the above files is that they are .wavs - and take AGES to download (indeed the last one is 9MB).

Baz

EDIT: the virginal piece is 382, not 381 (my error).
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« Reply #1356 on: 10:26:19, 17-03-2008 »

Ah, they're working now. Don't know what I did wrong then or am doing right now or vice versa.

And, er, don't have any idea what they are.
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« Reply #1357 on: 11:18:56, 17-03-2008 »

Mr. Inquisitor: 10180 (*)(***)
Mr. Thompson: 8831

Lapped again!

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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1358 on: 11:40:04, 17-03-2008 »

While we are at it we suppose we may say also that we have never before seen the word 'fresco' given a plural of 7 rather than 8 letters, even though we are sure that some lexicographical authority sanctions such a procedure (there is always one is there not?).

We thank the Member for the amendments mostly now incorporated. "Frescos" merely cut from Member Barrett and pasted appears to be in contravention neither of the Oxford English Dictionary the Collins English Dictionary nor the Chambers Dictionary - several thus - and has been permitted to stand.

The O.E.D. has an interesting citation under "fresco": "This impressive musical fresco for string orchestra"; it comes from The Listener of the twenty-third of June 1966 but the work to which reference is made is not revealed. Perhaps some one can tell us what it was.

I should suggest - in order to remove the complexity and inconvenience of needing to cross-reference the two threads - that Mr Grew consider the following methodology:

a) introduce on the 'Test' thread a further category of posting: a stated 'RESERVATION FOR PUZZLE NO. X'

b) an understood permission for that poster then to edit this message with the appropriate Puzzle number entered for access

c) the introduction of a further points penalty: if the person who reserved a posting for the purpose of later inserting the actual puzzle fails to do so within 1 hour then he/she automatically loses 500 points.

This seems eminently reasonable and we propose that it be introduced - as an option - with immediate effect.

We see in Member Baz's third suggestion a further fine opportunity for our self-styled denizens of the deep to accumulate points in their preferred shade of crimson! We also support the idea of a reservation posting. Of course the post as edited will then automatically show the correct puzzle starting time. Having file names which include the puzzle number is certainly a great convenience.

The requirement to include the puzzle number in a solution posting also seems quite reasonable. Perhaps a transition period of polite reminders might usefully be allowed to intervene before penalties be automatically incurred?

The denizens can be simply written out of history without too much inconvenience. A small change will have to be made to the computerized scoring system, to tell it to use the time of last edit (if there is one) rather than the time of the reply, but it is not beyond human ingenuity to incorporate that.

Also as the Member sensibly suggests we should and shall start issuing polite reminders about puzzle numbers and composer names missing from answers. Every one has been at one time or another a little guilty in this regard.
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« Reply #1359 on: 13:13:24, 17-03-2008 »

No guesses yet at nos. 379 and 380?? Cry

I would have thought Mr Fragment was well-placed to get one or both of them ...

I shall wait until there has been at least one guess for each before giving any clues.
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Baz
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« Reply #1360 on: 14:26:44, 17-03-2008 »

This is a classic example of a post that will automatically lose 75 points for being 'off topic' (a mistake I have been seduced into making a number of times!).


How so. It confirmed the correct solution put forward by hh, and explained how the particular version of the work might be differentiated from the published edition, which two contributors had previously ventured to suggest was the solution. What is of topic about that?

Apologies to Bryn (and hh) - I misread all those nested boxes. Your points are safe!

Baz

Oh dear! While my apologies remain, I cannot help noticing a certain prescience in my prediction!

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« Reply #1361 on: 15:08:19, 17-03-2008 »

All that should really be enough for good Googlers we might think.
Not really. I'd already worked out before your most recent clues that the composer was András Szöllősy, but I don't have his work-list and I don't know what he wrote in 1974 based on Petrassi's Concerto for Strings.

Perhaps the above is enough to "let someone else have it".
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« Reply #1362 on: 17:17:07, 17-03-2008 »

Stravinsky, Four Etudes, op. 7

Sorry no it is not that. Norman Lebrecht says of this work that it is "highly tuneful" and uses "imaginative serialism."


Google on "imaginative serialism"
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Baz
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« Reply #1363 on: 22:37:42, 17-03-2008 »

Detecting a latent thematic connection with 384, let's have a stab at 385...

385 - Is it Poulenc's Capriccio for Two Pianos?

Mr. Iron has been reading too many messages from Mr. Inquisitor! No no connection is intended; nor was Poulenc as far as we know ever a serialist. The composer of this extract - which requires only a single pianoforte - was born in the Southern Hemisphere.


It would be highly disingenuous to "blame" Mr Inquisitor for having led me astray. If I had bothered to listen to Poulenc's Capriccio before posting my message (instead of after doing so, as I did) I should never have deemed the acquisition of a few points to be worth more than my reputation (such as it may or may not be).

That said, the matter of "serialism" needs addressing briefly. We only have the words you gave us from the inestimable wit and skullduggery of the one-and-only No-man LeTwit who apparently mentions for this piece an "imaginative serialism". Unfortunately, thinking my ears a far more reliable judge than anything Mr LeTwit could possibly write, I automatically ignore anything I read from him as irrelevant by default. Indeed, having just listened again to the snatch, I cannot claim to have identified anything "serial" about it at all.

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« Reply #1364 on: 23:00:10, 17-03-2008 »

...Indeed, according to Ginastera's own classifications, the Piano Sonata no. 1 does not fit into a serial mould of any kind, but falls into his own second classification of "Subjective Nationalism" as explained here...

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Subjective Nationalism (1947 - 1954)
Without applying nationalistic elements directly as in Objective Nationalism, the music is purely from the composer's own ideas, but still in the style of Argentine characters. In other words, it symbolizes the characteristics of Argentine folk music elusively rather than conveys them explicitly.

Examples of this period: Piano Sonata no.1 (1952); Pampeano no.3 for orchestra (1954); String Quartet no.1 (1948); Variaciones concertantes for orchestra (1953) etc.

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/9981/ginastera.html

Only in the period after 1954 (two years later than the snatch) does he describe his music under the heading "Neo-expressionism" (paying regard to the music of Schoenberg and Berg, though not necessarily following their technical methods).

So much, then, for LeTwit.

Baz
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