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Author Topic: Two- to Sixty-second Repertoire Test Discussion  (Read 18090 times)
Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1365 on: 23:41:24, 17-03-2008 »

Polite reminders about missing elements: (example)

Ginastera piano sonata no. 2 perhaps.
[missing puzzle number]

As we had just concluded...
Ginastera piano sonata no. 1 then. Sounds rather like the Presto misterioso.
[missing puzzle number]

And I'm going to have a punt at Vieuxtemps' 5th Violin Concerto!
[missing puzzle number]

[We are not sure this is really going to be the best way to tackle the problem . . . On the other hand, the reservation of puzzle numbers has been working really well - it lets the setter feel relaxed while setting.]
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« Reply #1366 on: 23:44:31, 17-03-2008 »

Good lord.

We see the Member's point. On the other hand we must admit we might have thought had we thought at all that the presence of the puzzle number in the post immediately preceding might have sufficed.

This we say without having checked whether the number be indeed there.
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« Reply #1367 on: 23:45:56, 17-03-2008 »

. . . On the other hand, the reservation of puzzle numbers has been working really well - it lets the setter feel relaxed while setting.

Ah, are we trying out this idea? Good news, as it will stop the mad scramble and then finding someone else has beaten us to it!
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« Reply #1368 on: 23:46:50, 17-03-2008 »

And how pray tell are we to do something similar anent your answers Mr Inquisitor? Cheesy
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1369 on: 23:59:15, 17-03-2008 »

We share Mr. Iron's impression that there is not a great deal that sounds serial about Ginastera's First Sonata. It should be added though that the admirable Mr. Lebrecht was not the only authority we consulted. In the latest fifth edition of the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music we read "His music was in a nationalistic idiom up to about 1958 when he adopted more advanced procedures including serialism (first apparent in the 1952 pianoforte sonata), microtones, and aleatory rhythms." So there must be something somewhere in the work which impressed those critics. Perhaps we should sit down and listen to the whole sonata with care and come back to-morrow with our finds if any.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1370 on: 00:38:59, 18-03-2008 »

. . . On the other hand, the reservation of puzzle numbers has been working really well - it lets the setter feel relaxed while setting.

Ah, are we trying out this idea? Good news, as it will stop the mad scramble and then finding someone else has beaten us to it!

We have just now added a new paragraph to the Rules, entitled "Optional reservation of puzzle numbers," and embodying Mr. Iron's proposal. We have used the system once so far and experienced no drawbacks at all.
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Baz
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« Reply #1371 on: 08:57:17, 18-03-2008 »

We share Mr. Iron's impression that there is not a great deal that sounds serial about Ginastera's First Sonata. It should be added though that the admirable Mr. Lebrecht was not the only authority we consulted. In the latest fifth edition of the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music we read "His music was in a nationalistic idiom up to about 1958 when he adopted more advanced procedures including serialism (first apparent in the 1952 pianoforte sonata), microtones, and aleatory rhythms." So there must be something somewhere in the work which impressed those critics. Perhaps we should sit down and listen to the whole sonata with care and come back to-morrow with our finds if any.


I should tend to go along with a much more penetrative and credible authority than Lebrecht - Paul Griffiths. Writing of Ginastera in The New Oxford Companion to Music he says:

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His earlier works, including the Indian ballet Panambi (1934-6) and the Piano Sonata (1952), use elements of folk music, but later these were fused into a vigorous and colourful style drawing eclectically on Bartók and other modern masters. The main works of the second period are the Cantata para América mágica for voice and percussion orchestra (1960), the First Piano Concerto (1961), and three operas exploiting perverse and violent emotions: Don Rodrigo (1964), Bomorzo (1967), and Beatrix Centi (1971).

I feel there is certainly a hint of Bartók in the snatch presented, but I don't really associate the phrase "Bartók and other modern masters" with older (and perhaps by then already  passé) composers such as Schoenberg and Webern.

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« Reply #1372 on: 20:40:30, 18-03-2008 »

Is the composer of 382 Armand-Louis Couperin?
No, it's a teensy bit more obscure than that!

Well, I thought that Armand-Louis was fairly obscure and he is the cousin of the much more famous François and nephew of Louis.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1373 on: 20:44:57, 18-03-2008 »

Is the composer of 382 Armand-Louis Couperin?
No, it's a teensy bit more obscure than that!

Well, I thought that Armand-Louis was fairly obscure and he is the cousin of the much more famous François and nephew of Louis.  Roll Eyes
Don't despair, it was a big family.
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« Reply #1374 on: 21:18:34, 18-03-2008 »

382: Marc Roger Couperin...

Well stolen, Mr Sudden!  Cheesy
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« Reply #1375 on: 21:22:20, 18-03-2008 »

All a matter of timing, Mr 54". Wink
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« Reply #1376 on: 21:29:59, 18-03-2008 »

All a matter of timing, Mr 54". Wink

Indeed. This is the CD I located of this mysterious member of the Couperin clan: http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/67164.asp
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Baz
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« Reply #1377 on: 21:33:07, 18-03-2008 »

382: Marc Roger Couperin...

Well stolen, Mr Sudden!  Cheesy

Indeed - needless to say my posting for Marguerite-Antoinette was sent in ignorance of TF's previous posting saying it was a 'bloke' and the music dated from 1695! Angry

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« Reply #1378 on: 21:33:58, 18-03-2008 »

All a matter of timing, Mr 54". Wink

Indeed. This is the CD I located of this mysterious member of the Couperin clan: http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/67164.asp
Did Mr Google come to our aid there at all? Perhaps with a search term 'Coperino'? Hm?
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« Reply #1379 on: 21:40:45, 18-03-2008 »

Did Mr Google come to our aid there at all? Perhaps with a search term 'Coperino'? Hm?

Heavens to Murgatroyd, Mr Sudden, what can you be suggesting?!!  Cheesy

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