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« Reply #420 on: 10:29:36, 08-02-2008 » |
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May we for a moment recall Members' attention to the definition section of the competition thread? " The 'classical repertoire' here" it states " means music written between 1500 and 2000, and normally performed in concert halls or churches." Aware that minds of a certain type love to poke and push at nooks edges and boundaries may we additionally provide a short indication of the three principal areas where this undesirable activity has been occurring: A) GENERAL UNFAMILIARITY: Members should in general note that the object of the test is not to find the most obscure work possible. It is all too easy to open a page of the admirable Lebrecht for instance and point at once to a man the very name of whom to say nothing of all his works is utterly unknown to the world at large. B) PLACE OF PERFORMANCE: performances whose proper place is in the opera house the music hall the theatre or the various animatographic and cinematographical shows (to say nothing of the biograph) are as we have already indicated inadmissible for the purposes of the present exercise. Already three recent submissions of puzzles (25 35 and 50) have had to be voided because they did not adhere to this stipulation. C) PARTICULAR UNFAMILIARITY: Members should refrain from setting as puzzles compositions which the average music-lover is unlikely to know. Recent examples include: - the exceedingly abstruse (as in puzzle 53 with that solo violoncello)
- show-off sopranos (as in puzzle 39)
- modern English music (as in puzzle 44)
In many cases a composer's name will be well known yet all but a few of his works not. We urge Members then not to deviate too far from the repertoire! We would not wish it to be thought that we were ones to promote drift and difficulty. |
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« Reply #421 on: 12:25:58, 08-02-2008 » |
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It may be of interest to Members that there do exist in the admirable Mr. Lebrecht's book about composers of the twentieth century entries for Betsy Jolas, Jean-Pierre Guezec, and André Boocoorechliaff. For Charles Chaynes though there is regrettably none; he appears to have been at the time of writing for Mr. L. an unknown quantity. We personally have not encountered music by any of the quartet.
Mme. Jolas's father published the first chapters of Finnegans Wake, and she is said to have run for fifteen years new music output on French radio.
M. Guezec's agitated music reflects "social unrest and personal disquiet." He died very young and Messiaen commemorated him in the horn solo of "From the Canyons to the Stars."
Boocoorechliaff the Bulgar - also dead - wrote pieces into and out of which performers were invited to dip and which might be played in different versions at one and the same concert. We do not much like the sound of that - it sounds as though the poor gentleman did not have a mind of his own!
M. Chaynes does appear in Grove; he is a former director of France-Musique (1965 to 1975), and is said to write "atonally" (meaning we suppose "pantonally"). Several - but by no means all - of his works have sensible names, and all in all he sounds the best of the bunch. We do not care at all for Mr. Sudden's extract, though!
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« Reply #422 on: 12:32:03, 08-02-2008 » |
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Mr. Sudden: Aha, Schoenberg! That makes a bit more sense now that I listen to it again. I must have heard Die Jakobsleiter at some point in the past, but it's somehow slipped through the net til now. Anyway, thanks for posting that snippet, I have already ordered the CD (the one with Boulez obviously!) and will no doubt be enjoying it in about 2 weeks from now! Isn't Schoenberg just a wonderful composer when he gets all sensual? Strangely, it seems his time has still not yet come!
Never come across that composer (of Puzzle 39) before. Sounds like it's worth a listen.
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« Reply #423 on: 12:34:25, 08-02-2008 » |
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I have never heard of this man Chaynes, and am quite disconcerted to find that the snatch snippet or extract in question was his doing.
Mme Jolas is a vigorous woman even in her late 80s, as I believe her now to be. M. Guézec - note the accent - died at 36: not very very young, but young enough. He was indeed commemorated in the 'Appel interstéllaire' (whose title always reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke). I believe I heard some woodwind chamber music by him on BBC R3's 'Hear and Now' programme around 10 years ago, but nothing since, and I have no recollection of any great sense of social or political unrest from it, only a vague wondering how to spell his name. This was in the days before Google and the Inter-Net.
Boocoorechliaff the Bulgar, also dead, forgot the cry of gulls and the deep sea swell and the profit and loss. I suspect, however, that his music was more atonal than pantonal, the latter being in my humble opinion a prissy term bandied by those who think that a distinction of minor relevance to early 20th-century Schoenberg is of major relevance to music of the subsequent 100 years. They are mistaken.
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #424 on: 13:00:45, 08-02-2008 » |
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While I accept that submission of Puzzle 50 ( Black Lake, Patrick Doyle) did not comply with the competition rules, I would like to draw to Mr Grew's attention that I consider this excellent piece of music to be unfairly rejected, for these reasons: 1. The piece is essentially classical in style and composition 2. It was published circa 2004-2005, possibly conceived before 2000 (though not as Black Lake) 3. The piece of music may not have been performed in a concert hall but the original recording has been heard by over 100 million persons, possibly as many as 500 million, either through the film in cinemas and DVDs, through sales of CDs, and through weekly broadcasts by various radio stations across the world 4. The piece of music has likely been heard (more popular, more familiar in the world) than all the 20th century pieces featured in the competition put together Rather than my clue of '21st century' I now wish it had been 'descriptive of a stretch of water', that might have generated much more fun  John W |
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« Reply #425 on: 14:05:51, 08-02-2008 » |
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Well, the first of your trio sounds like Sibelius (but none I know  ) the second sounds as French as an intellectual's comb-over and the third sounds, frankly, a bit like Pink Floyd. of these suggestions is correct, Stuart.  |
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« Reply #426 on: 15:31:29, 08-02-2008 » |
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Haven't spent quite a long time searching , I can't find if anyone has said what excerpt 56 was Baz....I just wonder what it is as I think it is so lovely....  A |
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« Reply #427 on: 15:45:48, 08-02-2008 » |
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Whilst Madame Antheil has utter faith in our Esteemed Quiz Moderator Mr. Grew and his impeccable scoring she would like to respectfully point out that her reply #353 was not in fact off-topic.
Madame Antheil was merely posting in reply to the clip she had had heard by clicking on Mr. Macrae’s link. The fact that the melody in question was ‘I’d like to teach the world to sing’ rather surprised Madame Antheil and her work colleagues but in trying the link 3 times and getting the same result we assumed that Mr. Macrae was merely being whimsical or a trifle mischievious.
We do feel that if an internet file sharing site posts an incorrect link but the correct answer is given to that link by a competitor, then it is a trifle unfair to dock the competitor for being off-topic when she was merely answering the Puzzle in all good faith We therefore suggest an amendment to our score could be desirable. As an illustrative example, if we are sent a parcel but are the recipient of the wrong parcel no blame can be attached to us but must be laid squarely at the door of the go-between, The Royal Mail.
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #428 on: 17:04:03, 08-02-2008 » |
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Baz.. is no 54 a Beethoven String trio? It is frustrating as I have played this but can't for the life of me remember what it is and my 'book' is 200 miles away!! A Unless there is something wrong with your speakers (or your ears!), you should be hearing 4 instruments. Try another composer too. Baz |
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« Reply #429 on: 17:10:05, 08-02-2008 » |
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Baz.. is no 54 a Beethoven String trio? It is frustrating as I have played this but can't for the life of me remember what it is and my 'book' is 200 miles away!! A Unless there is something wrong with your speakers (or your ears!), you should be hearing 4 instruments. Try another composer too. Baz I think it sounds a little earlier than Beethoven, more like Mozart? |
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« Reply #430 on: 17:21:10, 08-02-2008 » |
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Mr. Barrett: -1389
Ha! Does my head look big in this do you think?  It grows bigger each time - you just lost another 75 marks ('off topic')! Baz |
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« Reply #431 on: 18:34:20, 08-02-2008 » |
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Baz.. is no 54 a Beethoven String trio? It is frustrating as I have played this but can't for the life of me remember what it is and my 'book' is 200 miles away!! A Unless there is something wrong with your speakers (or your ears!), you should be hearing 4 instruments. Try another composer too. Baz Well I have to admit that these speakers are not the best  Haydn then? |
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« Reply #432 on: 19:17:33, 08-02-2008 » |
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Baz.. is no 54 a Beethoven String trio? It is frustrating as I have played this but can't for the life of me remember what it is and my 'book' is 200 miles away!! A Unless there is something wrong with your speakers (or your ears!), you should be hearing 4 instruments. Try another composer too. Baz Well I have to admit that these speakers are not the best Haydn then? You may say that - but...  ...I couldn't possibly comment! |
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« Reply #433 on: 19:24:22, 08-02-2008 » |
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Well, must say I'm surprised at Mr Grew's leniency. The Harry Potter episode has cost me just the value of two off-topic postings, and best of all Anna came out of it unscathed |
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« Reply #434 on: 19:28:46, 08-02-2008 » |
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Well, must say I'm surprised at Mr Grew's leniency. The Harry Potter episode has cost me just the value of two off-topic postings, and best of all Anna came out of it unscathed Infamy! Infamy! He's got it in for me! |
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