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« Reply #345 on: 18:15:12, 19-07-2008 »

Don B, I am finding the Imperial Ethiopian website brilliant.  So much we did not know (or that which I did not know)
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« Reply #346 on: 20:36:13, 25-07-2008 »

Middlebie Church, Dumfriesshire. Special little church in our family history. Wrights married there since 1827 (and three generations baptised and buried).



I was astonished to be looking through a book about Dumfries villages, there was a photo of cottages in Eaglesfield, taken around 1900, including the house I lived in as an infant, and standing outside was the little but unmistakeable figure of my great-grandad, standing watching a horse and cart take some wood cuttings up the brae!
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« Reply #347 on: 22:57:08, 26-07-2008 »

I was astonished to be looking through a book about Dumfries villages, there was a photo of cottages in Eaglesfield, taken around 1900, including the house I lived in as an infant, and standing outside was the little but unmistakeable figure of my great-grandad, standing watching a horse and cart take some wood cuttings up the brae!
What a wonderful discovery, John. I remember my Grandma Lou (the pianist) showing me a photo in a library book about early recordings - it was her Aunty Lily sitting at a piano, who was the unacknowedged accompanist in so many recordings, including those of Dame Clara Butt. Although the libray book incident was about 30 years ago, the name John Steane springs to mind - I should see if he was the author of a book on early recordings and try to obtain a copy.

Sorry to be so off-topic.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #348 on: 23:09:21, 26-07-2008 »

MJ, the book you are looking for is probably John Steane's The Grand Tradition, which is a history of the early years of operatic recording.  It was published by Duckworth in 1974 and is something of a classic.



Now, back to cathedrals and churches ...
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« Reply #349 on: 23:29:04, 26-07-2008 »

MJ,

This is the Church of my forebears, see those tombstones?  Them is us.  From 1740 onwards front of pic, prior to that history goes back to 1699 at least, we have a Will of that date but family dates back to earlier, two of them Parish Clerks, all left Wills and owned property.  By 1840 in the Workhouse and children Paupers.  Still, it's nice to look back and think, my family made that Churchyard as it is.





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« Reply #350 on: 23:31:06, 26-07-2008 »

MJ, the book you are looking for is probably John Steane's The Grand Tradition,
Many thanks, pw.
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« Reply #351 on: 00:06:12, 27-07-2008 »

Still, it's nice to look back and think, my family made that Churchyard as it is.

That is a nice thought.

This is the church of St Mary the Virgin in Horsell, Surrey. My brother is buried here. I haven't been back for something like 20 years but feel I should.

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« Reply #352 on: 00:19:29, 27-07-2008 »

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those are my very late relatives, which is nice as I did not know them so have no emotional attachment, it's sad you lost a brother so young, it's difficult to know what to say in those circumstances when a young life has been lost, I guess it's up to you.  I am not a great one for visiting graves, I think you hold them in your heart and your mind rather than visiting a grassy mound.
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« Reply #353 on: 01:50:32, 27-07-2008 »

Well he died before I was born so there's not a direct emotional connection.
I'm all in agreement with the fact that the grave is only a focal point. When we moved, it caused my mum a lot of grief until she suddenly realised that it just didn't matter. As she put it, he wasn't there, he was with her. Anyway, this is probably all a bit personal and inappropriate, but your comment struck a chord with me. Tomorrow I have to be singing in the cathedral of St Giles in Edinburgh, which, given that tourist season is upon us, will be a freak show and a half.

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« Reply #354 on: 09:04:31, 27-07-2008 »

I think you mean later today, hh.
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« Reply #355 on: 13:19:01, 27-07-2008 »

Well he died before I was born so there's not a direct emotional connection.

I feel a very strong emotional connection with my ancestors. We're lucky to have a good collection of photographs from the late Victorian and also the Edwardian decade when my grandfather was married, when he looked very Elgarian. The photos include my great-grandfather who looked then what my dad was like in the 1970s. Grandad was certainly the poshest of our family, having built up his own business and become the Victorian gentleman of a little border village. He died before I was born. Previously our family had been blacksmiths north and south of the border, and my dad was a master joiner who decided, when I was small, to move north for more work as the village populations were decreasing. So I do very much feel a connection with my family and the places where they lived, even though it's only rare I might visit the little villages of their time. People there still remember our family (none of the Wrights there now are direct family members).

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« Reply #356 on: 13:58:51, 27-07-2008 »

John,

I do in fact have a strong emotional attachment to my ancestors, but in the case of the gravestones above apart from dates I really have no information to "flesh" them out to to speak - to know how they lived.  However, I have done a lot of research into my more immediate ancestors and have got prior to 1840 in some cases and with the help of the Censi and other records have learnt an enormous amount and knowing their addresses, occupations, etc., somehow brings them to life.  I have also researched into their siblings as far as possible.

For example, it's finding them (an extended family of 14) living in a typical terraced miners house in Abergwynfi in 1891 and then seeing that the house is still there that is a thrill.  Or getting great-grandpa's Army records and finding out he embarked on his first tour of The North-West Frontier in 1880, or solving the mystery of why my great-grandmother supposedly vanished - she ran off to Pontypridd with a Mr. Richard Jenkins  Shocked

Unfortunately we have no family photos prior to 1890.

Be warned, geneology is highly addictive!
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« Reply #357 on: 14:52:07, 27-07-2008 »


Be warned, geneology is highly addictive!

Indeed, and I'm thankful my retired brother has taken it on, and in a big way by looking at the big families on our mum's side, and of our grandad's wife which takes us to families from Glasgow and Balfron, cotton mills and we can just wonder at the work/living conditions experienced. There's an old story of a family member eloping with an earl's daughter late 18thC, which would relate us to Robert the Bruce but alas nothing has been confirmed. The 18thC Wrights are all buried in the parish of Arthuret, near Carlisle.

As I said earlier we have a long history of blacksmiths which brought the family in contact with the gentry and many females in the family worked in country houses, and we read of one great uncle who as a teenager worked on the estate of the Carlyle family near Gretna, probably the same family as essayist Thomas Carlyle who was born in Ecclefechan. I remember grandad/grannie on mum's side living in a flat opposite Carlyle's birthplace and wonder if any of our family met Robbie Burns when he visited Ecclefechan.

Sorry going off-topic, so getting back on-topic 18thC Wrights are buried here





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« Reply #358 on: 15:03:12, 27-07-2008 »

That looks Scots, although the size looks more like Suffolk.  Is it Arthuret?  Am I wright in thinking it is the Scots side of the border?

I understood Thomas Carlyle (and I am one of only two people I know who has read Sartor Resartus) was of a very humble background, and once established as the Sage of Cheyne Walk, Chelsea emphasised the fact.  But I may have got the wrong end of the stick.
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« Reply #359 on: 13:14:00, 10-08-2008 »

It seems no one has been to Church lately!  Cheesy

This is what was my family's Church when I was growing up in London, designed by S.S. Teulon who enlarged the original Church and consecrated in 1866.  My parents married there, we were all Christened there.  It has recently had extensive renovation.  I see from its website that 8pm second Saturday of the month: alternative worship service with contemporary music and visuals, meditations and art in Grace style and fourth Sundays ditto in Grace.  That's a new one on me.  Perhaps Don B. knows more about this?  It seems to be a bit arty-farty Evangelical.  Forgive me if I  am wrong.  Evening services also include Taize and Celtic style services.

             
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