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« Reply #375 on: 15:14:48, 22-08-2008 » |
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I have just looked back at this thread to realise that IGI posted St Cross Winchester some time back. Any rate, here is some more of it. First of all that lectern. So is the head an eagle or a parrot? You decide. It does look like a parrot's beak, granted, but thing about not-listening-to-the-Bible-parrot-fashion strikes me as Victorian Sunday School anti-catholic polemic. When it was carved, presumably the Bible was being read in Latin. I suspect eagles and parrots were equally rare in medieval Hampshire, and the carver had seen neither. |
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« Reply #376 on: 22:19:56, 22-08-2008 » |
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The OED gives the earliest usage for The manner or style of a parrot; esp. a mechanical or repetitive manner; a manner indicative of rote learning as in 1826 from, interestingly enough from Literary & Evangelical Mag
Characterized by mindless and mechanical repetition is from The Times as late as 1953.
Even if the lectern was post-Reformation, it would pre-date these examples by some time, particularly if it was hidden in the Civil War (a story with which the Cavalier in me is quite happy to go along.)
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« Reply #377 on: 15:14:34, 23-08-2008 » |
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Sorry to go on about parrots so much.
Anyone like to see my latest Welsh Cathedral?
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« Reply #378 on: 15:19:12, 23-08-2008 » |
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Sorry to go on about parrots so much.
Anyone like to see my latest Welsh Cathedral?
Oh course I would Don Basilio, as a major Church Anorak, it'll be St. Woolos then on Stow Hill? I have given the parrot much thought and think it is. |
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #379 on: 15:39:18, 23-08-2008 » |
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Just to finish off on Saint Cross, Winchester, here is the vue generale of the interior, with that eagle with a possible parrot's head on the right. |
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« Reply #380 on: 16:00:51, 23-08-2008 » |
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When we just arrived here I used to go around town a lot. I would visit most churches. There is one Protestant church here. It is beautiful and old. It has many stain glass windows. The organ there is not that good, but not too bad (for weddings etc). Russian church has services there some times. The prist is very nice and is married to a Russian lady (though I am not sure she speaks Russian. The prist told me she is from an old aristocratic family, but I have not met her yet). Churches here are small for most of the time. They have Christ stations in each and all different. This is a small (tiny) church in Claddagh. I used to practice organ there. This is my favourite part of town. Unfortunately I don't know how to make this picture smaller.  |
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« Reply #381 on: 16:12:36, 23-08-2008 » |
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 This is inside that church. We have community of Scotts lives here. A daughter of prominent composer who I lives either Edinburgh or Glasgow lives here. She is married to a person from Edinburgh or Glasgow and this is why I am confused. I have not met anyone from Wales yet. The father of our cello player here works (may be he is retired) in Music Academy or something and his wife is a piano teacher. I met them. I know mother more because she came here several times. |
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« Reply #382 on: 16:13:07, 23-08-2008 » |
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As Antheil surmised, my Welsh cathedral is St Woolos, Newport, which is the seat (cathedra) of the Bishop of Monmouth. St Gwynllyw (in English Woolos) founded the church c500, according to legend on a spot where a bull stopped wandering. In 1921 the diocese of Monmouth was founded, and St Woolos Newport became its pro-cathedral, finally reaching full cathdral status in 1949. At the West end there is a galilee chapel, with a Romanesque arch at the end giving a view into the body of the church: |
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« Reply #383 on: 16:17:27, 23-08-2008 » |
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Here is the arch close up. The choir was extended in the 1960s to make it more appropriate for a cathedral, and the grey John Piper design decorated the East wall, which is visible at the far end. tp - your picture in your last has not come out. I'll pause for a while in case you have some more to post. |
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« Reply #384 on: 18:26:47, 23-08-2008 » |
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And here is the Romanesque arcades of the body of the nave, with the Piper East end design in view (with camera shake. I must have been so excited at the prospect of another Welsh cathedral here.) |
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« Reply #385 on: 18:33:39, 23-08-2008 » |
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I think this church is so beautiful. Is it an old church?
You can only see this kind of churches in UK.
I was only in catholic part of Germany ( Trier) and don't know other parts.
I am sure there the churches are different. (They do have protestant churches, do they? Or I am wrong again?)
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« Reply #386 on: 18:40:04, 23-08-2008 » |
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The dates for St Woolos are founded c500, c1080 the round arch shown in my first pictures, c1200 the nave in the last picuture, bearing in mind that the whole caboodle was thouroughly restored 1853. The chancel, or choir, dates from all of 1961.
It was part of the Church of England until 1920, when the Church in Wales was founded. I would say it is a church of the catholic church, but it is not under the authority of the Pope. It is one of the Anglican churches, which include the Church of England, the Church in Wales and the Church of Ireland. I won't confuse things further.
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« Reply #387 on: 18:53:32, 23-08-2008 » |
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Thank you Don Basilio, I am so confused about this. I grew up in atheist society. Now Orthodox church is back and they restored many churches. The central one was restored by Turkish workers because Russian could not do it. I don't think they have such old churches where I am from. I have to check of course, but I think the oldest ones are build in XXII century. I really have to revisit that. I always found it so fascinating that churches here are so old. You explained it so well to me. So do you think the church we have here is Church of Ireland?  St Nickolas church. It is the oldest church here. |
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« Reply #388 on: 19:00:37, 23-08-2008 » |
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It looks very Church of Ireland to me. If it was Roman Catholic there would be some statues. If it was Presbyterian, Baptist or some other protestant it would not have an altar or choir.
I have never been to Ireland, but I believe the Church of Ireland has inherited all the medieval churches. The Roman Catholics have had to build new ones. (Bear in mind that for many years the Roman Catholics were very restricted in public worship.)
That is why the Church of Ireland has two historic cathedrals in Dublin (and not many members) while the Roman Catholics only have a temporary cathedral, a pro-cathedral. The RC joke is that there are three cathedrals in Dublin - one pro and two amateurs.
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« Reply #389 on: 19:34:48, 23-08-2008 » |
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I have a friend who knows and loves history in general and Irish history in particular.
It is interesting to listen to him. He has knowledge and he is a good story teller.
Now I recall that my friend told me that catholic churches became Anglican, though he called it different. This is why I did not know. I thought for some reason that they are protestant churches. I seems to think that people here call it Protestant church, but I might be wrong.
We have a nice community here. There are many people from Scotland. My friend is from Scottland, though I don't remember if she is from Glasgow or from Edinbrough. It is because her husband is from the other city on the list.
I am playing with a flutist who is from the North of England. I know many people who go to this church.
I know very little about Dublin.
What you said in your last post is very interesting. I know very little about history of religion.
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