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« on: 19:00:51, 09-02-2007 » |
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We all had high hopes of french frank's email to the powers that be, however, confirmation of the new regime has been received, and I post below Host's message:
"There's been lots of speculation about the significance of the planned message board changes and concern about what would be considered off topic.
Each of the new topics relates directly to a Radio 3 programme. Community members will be able to start threads on any subject within the compass of that show.
I think that the main difference regular members of the community will notice is that programme team members will have a much greater presence on the boards and will be seeking input from other members of the message board community for use on air."
Now seeing as won't be listening to any of those shows I feel effectively that the BBC has disenfranchised me from commenting about the majority of Radio 3s output except via the standard form from which you get an email saying "thank you for your input. Not all emails are read, blah, blah, blah
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #1 on: 19:10:28, 09-02-2007 » |
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Anna, I didn't have high hopes. The original post about the changes from Sylvie showed that they were a fait accompli from the very start. No consultation, no discussion, no ifs, no buts. They didn't like the way we conversed as in a chat room. They want one-liners pertinent to the programme and input from message-boarders to quote on the shows. I shall still remain on both boards to see how it carries on. I like this one but am so sorry that we couldn't do this over there.
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Anna
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« Reply #2 on: 19:20:43, 09-02-2007 » |
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Milly, as I have just posted on the other MB, I have learnt what I know from the MB and the posters there and I feel really sad that others won't get the benefit of what I have had, which is an education.
As for not being able to discuss Afternoon Performance, or Po3 or the Opera I am actually speechless.
Plus, for example, the new 10 part series on Britten and the various interpretations. There are loads of Britten fans on R3 but, again, no Speech MB.
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #3 on: 19:24:52, 09-02-2007 » |
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Anna, they must have their reasons. Expense? I don't know. Very sad but all good things come to an end, as I have learned many times over in my comparatively long and chequered existence. Nothing lasts forever.
Whatever their reasons they weren't going to come clean and tell us. Not the truth anyway.
Anyway, I shall continue to have a foot in both camps as I said before. I remember when they changed the format from the original to the new "more modern, faster boards" not so long ago! We didn't want them messing about with them then but they ignored us. They've ignored us now.
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« Reply #4 on: 19:55:14, 09-02-2007 » |
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In my view the BBC have become more arrogant and more arrogant over the last 20 years. They have forgotten that they are "in effect" a Public Service" paid for by us via a form of compulsory fees whether we actually use their services or not. I have never accepted any form of discourtesy from anybody or any organisation I am paying and I do not expect to be ignored if I am footing the bill. The manner in which this whole sorry incident has been carried out is indicative of a lack of courteous "client" appreciation by the BBC. That is why I am so angry and disappointed.
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« Reply #5 on: 20:17:46, 09-02-2007 » |
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I'm very shocked that it seems to have actually happened. I may try the suggested diversion formula, for example:
"An ideal topic at Breakfast would be a discussion of the performance of Britten's operas. starting perhaps with examples of the Dawn interlude. We could interract with Philip Langridge/ Heather Harper/ Peter Hall/ Stuart Bedford/ Phyllida Lloyd/ Mark Padmore/the ghost of Peter Quint/whoever."
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"Iain Burnside, since Voices are your thing, I'd love your opinion on the various interpretations of the part of Snout in Midsummer Night's Dream"
or, to Music Matters:
"Has it occurred to you that Music Matters?" (That's becoming a well-worn joke now.)
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« Reply #6 on: 18:26:03, 10-02-2007 » |
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As I said on the other board, the decision has been made and there is nothing we can do about. So it's a big from Radio 3 to us MBers
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« Reply #7 on: 19:55:23, 11-02-2007 » |
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As I have already said elsewhere I feel that our only real response is to boycott the official boards. I know this may end up being counter-productive but what other course of action is realistically open.
I may be overly pessimistic but I feel that any form of lobbying or petitioning will only be ignored. As Milly says, the Powers that Be have already decided what form the MB's will take.
It seems to me that they will be using the individually targeted MB's as a sophisticated ( or maybe not so sophisticated ) form of "focus group". Sounds like a sneaky marketing idea to me and I don't like it.
Time may prove me wrong but until that happens I'm staying here.
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« Reply #8 on: 20:34:32, 11-02-2007 » |
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However, the 'focus group' analogy is surely misplaced. They have had what to all intents and purposes is a rapid-reaction focus group on the board already, vocal and critical at times but ready to shower praise where it was due. But Auntie knows best, and much of the most praised programming is banished, whilst the mediocre remains or is increased, with no consultation or explanation whatsoever. It is hardly surprising that many of the regulars sense that they have been treated with unfeeling arrogance; their loyalty and interests have counted for nothing,
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WeeCalum
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« Reply #9 on: 20:49:59, 11-02-2007 » |
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Someone over on the other board has commented that the changes are due to a "fast track" manager who has to be seen to be "thinking outside the box" within 18 months or else is deemed a failure. I couldn't agree more. I work for a (very) large company and see exactly the same sort of management behaviour. Never mind if it's not broken, change it. Ony change counts, not quality.
Sorry, rant over.
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Anna
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« Reply #10 on: 20:54:03, 11-02-2007 » |
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Och, Weecalum, so we, none of us, respond to the mbs then?
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« Reply #11 on: 21:11:06, 11-02-2007 » |
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Anna,
Not at all. To each their own. A boycott is just my way of showing R3 that I'm not happy with their decision. Others may well what to email/write/stand outside broadcasting house with placards saying "Down with this sort of thing" but I don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference.
I may be accused of over-reacting since I never actually posted anything to the other board but I was an avid reader and learnt an incredible amount from you all. I hugely enjoyed the debates, commentaries and views expressed and always looked forward to logging on to see what was going on.
I suppose I'm just annoyed that just as I was starting to get into it the MB is changing, probably for the worse. But, you never know.........
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Anna
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« Reply #12 on: 16:59:53, 12-02-2007 » |
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Perhaps we have been panicking too much? The message read "Each of the new topics relates directly to a Radio 3 programme. Community members will be able to start threads on any subject within the compass of that show.Well, for a programme such as 'Breakfast' there must be a lot within the compass for discussion. Or am I being over optimistic?
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« Reply #13 on: 17:06:50, 12-02-2007 » |
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ff doesn't sound optimistic. However we all can go there if we like. It might be good to have two boards.
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Anna
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« Reply #14 on: 17:46:22, 12-02-2007 » |
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The first Iain Burnside programme this Sunday. Music includes pieces by Messaien, Vaughan Williams, Ibert, Debussy and Haydn. Therefore a thread about any of these composers wouldn't be off-topic would it? I'm certainly going to be posting over there, surely we are all cunning enough to circumnavigate the rules
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