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« Reply #120 on: 03:11:49, 26-11-2007 » |
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If either Bryn or Reiner (and anyone else) thinks my scepticism that the provision of a Tesco receipt (either scanned or sent as genuine) amounts to anything in any way "artistic" betrays somehow my lost youth, then that is what I must call "sad".
I enjoyed MY youth, and made the best of it. I didn't sit around waiting for others to do my work - I just got on with it myself. If that was in any way creative, I am grateful for having had the opportunity and not (hopefully) having wasted it. If I am seen as part of a "grumpy old duo" then so be it. I still feel, however, that what I contribute (both here and elsewhere) is mostly creative - otherwise I should not bother.
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We all have different views of what constitutes art don't we? so im not fussed that you dont see the sending of a reciept as art. After event four supermarket...you have a record of the event, something you could potentially keep for ever. you send it to me, I now have the record of your participation, i am holding something that was given to you, we have made a connection...perhaps it is a selfish form of art. the receipt travelling through the post as you travelled through the supermarket, as we travel through life one goal, one aim. the receipt is art in itself, it is totally unique is it not? does it not matter that hardly any effort went into the actual production of the receipt? baz, I am sure you have not wasted your youth. I created this project in a meaningful, adventurous, creative manner. i fail to see how you think it is not creative. i am not simply getting people to make my piece, the piece i have already created depends on people doing it, as a string quartet depends on having 2 violins, a viola and a cello. best Matthew |
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« Reply #121 on: 03:16:29, 26-11-2007 » |
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Oh dear, what a particularly sad pair of jaded critics Baz and A present themselves as here. They really do come across to me as suffering a bad case of jealousy at their lost youth. How very sad.
sad? jaded? jealous at lost youth? grumpy? Good God Bryn , what I am saying is that this project ( at least you aren't calling it a composition) is rubbish. What I did in my youth (and still do, I am not that old thank you very much) is play music and earlier in my life I wrote music... BUT you see that is what it was... and is... MUSIC. I am disappointed that all the so called musicians on this board are taken in by these people who have come up with the silliest con of all time... no work, everyone running around doing silly things like a party game and getting a huge grant as he laughs himself to sleep every night!!! No, I am not sad, or jaded.. just amazed at the gullibility of people I thought were better able to see through such stuff. I see it is because you , for some amazing reason, suggested to him that he should mention it here that you are making such a strange stand!! A please get back in your bubble, there is clearly no point in discussing anything with you that goes past using multipule brain cells or 1895. Matthew |
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« Reply #122 on: 03:20:36, 26-11-2007 » |
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Well, Matthew may still be an undergrad., but he's obviously already mastered the secret of getting himself talked about, which is a useful ability for anyone involved in the arts. Furthermore, he's able to polarise opinion, which guarantees that the talk will rattle on, as it has here already.
Nobody is being forced to take part in the material building exercise, but I can see that a wider cross-section of participants could be in the creator's interests: it makes demands that some will find challenging, but I don't doubt for a moment that he will find volunteers. Who knows what will come of it? Thinking outside the box of music per se and experimenting within the field of performance art certainly isn't going to appeal directly to everybody, but that in itself is not necessarily at cross-purposes with the later creation of music-theatre pieces which work very successfully: I'm thinking particularly of the work of Heiner Goebbels here; the premises behind some of his works may sound convoluted, but when the texts and his music - music which even gained a plaudit from S_S, it should be noted - come together in the conditions he has devised, the cumulative effect is stunning.
For an artist to discuss work in progress is always to court danger, but when a project needs external input, there's no real choice. People are of course at perfect liberty to find the methods by which the creator intends to proceed bizarre: nevertheless, however outlandish the premise may seem at this point, judgement should properly be suspended until there is a product to discuss. To do otherwise would surely be, in the purest sense of the word, prejudice.
Thats a very helpful summary so far, thank you! I haven't heard of Heiner Goebbel before, but will certainly look into him now! [its 3:20am and im still reading and replying] Best Matthew |
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« Reply #123 on: 03:25:42, 26-11-2007 » |
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O.K. John, I should come clean. On reading Matthew's flier, I suggested he might like to mention the project here, on the M&S board and at r.m.c.c. For some strange reason I though some here might be both adveturous and supportive enough to engage positively with what he was attempting. Instead he's discovered our grumpy old duo.
Fair enough Bryn and Ron, thanks for not discovering a grumpy trio, I'm not being grumpy and not being prejudiced, just critical/disappointed with the structure or framework of the composition method which has been tried before and clearly, from the responses here, runs the risk that it may not appeal to examiners. Matthew may have had his method 'approved' by the examiners who are keenly waiting to see what he can make of it, if so fair enough. Matthew should know I have little or no musical credentials, not an examiner, but I'm just someone who enjoys music that can be listened to more than once  i never once said this was my final degree project....this is for another part of my course, which has being fully approved by someone who is very excited about it! interestingly enough....for my final project I am doing my own happening (my second) it is called "the nothing and the nothingness" but we can save that for another time! Best matthew |
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« Reply #124 on: 03:29:05, 26-11-2007 » |
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People are of course at perfect liberty to find the methods by which the creator intends to proceed bizarre: nevertheless, however outlandish the premise may seem at this point, judgement should properly be suspended until there is a product to discuss. To do otherwise would surely be, in the purest sense of the word, prejudice.
That is too simplistic Ron! We have no "product" to discuss, but merely an idea. Nobody here is questioning a "product" before it has been produced (that would be prejudice indeed). Some of us are merely questioning the idea, and the proposal for carrying it forward (without any further idea of the outcome). Not to question this kind of thing can result in serious errors of judgement. Baz i agree baz, one must question in advance...thats why Im here  I have enjoyed all the questions so far, please keep them coming, it really is helping me. Best Matthew |
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« Reply #125 on: 03:43:28, 26-11-2007 » |
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Thank you, Mort.
Thank you Matthew, too, for getting back to us. As you can see, one way or another, you've caused quite a stir.
You say that this is quite new to you: perhaps you could tell us what you've been creating up until now.
I'm glad that you're still with us, Baz: I can quite understand why an insensitive comment, though made in jest, might have tempted you to leave us yet again. I've not found any evidence of this previous publication regarding the temperament associated with Bach's 48, so unless the poster concerned can provide it, it is correct that you would be justified in expecting a polite retraction.
I've talked before about 'lines in the sand' - the point beyond which a listener can no longer comprehend certain combinations of sound as music. We all know that these exist for the vast majority of listeners, yet can be in very different places for different people. We're never going to get anywhere arguing over them: there's no agreed standard: they're the product of taste, experience and the way an individual brain is wired, and nobody has a right to claim that his/her lines are the only ones that matter, or berate someone else simply because theirs are located elsewhere.
Well i only discovered cage about 2 years ago...i only started composing when I was in my late teens. ive been doing a lot of theatre music recently and writing event/word scores, planning my second happening and six_events and writing pieces for friends. I am working on a choral piece also at the moment. well its 3:41am, ive read all the replies on this board (i think) and im pretty tired but not disparaged: quite the opposite actually! Im off to be now, in preparation for a visit to the dentist in the morning. thank you for making my welcome so exciting with fireworks! Warm Wishes Matthew |
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« Reply #126 on: 03:47:19, 26-11-2007 » |
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I love your quote, tell me, who is David Niven?
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Gosh Matthew you ARE young  David Niven was a popular oscar-winning British actor. I'm sure EVERYONE who posted here will be grateful for your responses on this thread, it will increase your popularity no end, and may convert a few sceptics John W haha! yes john, I am quite young  i have done my best to respnd to everyone and will continue to do so, as i really value having as many opinions as possible...it is dangerous indeed to go it alone! what films was Mr Niven most famous for? sorry for using so much space! I will limit my lines best Matthew |
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« Reply #127 on: 03:51:49, 26-11-2007 » |
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>>Are participants supposed to record the sounds made/heard during each event?
yes, performers are invited to document/capture their performances with photos/films/audio.
Hmm; so does this mean I should feel some obligation then? I thought that the 'invitation' was something I could happily disregard if I wished to without thinking I was missing out on the 'performance'. But you seem there to answer the 'are participants supposed to X' in the affirmative... it would be preferable for perfomers to record yes, but if they felt strongly against it or just didnt want to, thats fine. best matthew |
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« Reply #128 on: 06:48:00, 26-11-2007 » |
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Hi Matthew
A lot of David Niven's films were quite lightweight, but if you want to see him in something worthwhile (he really played the same "debonair British johnny" in all his films, a sort of non-caddish version of Terry Thomas) then get hold of the Powell & Pressburger B&W-with-colour-moments masterpiece "A MATTER OF LIFE & DEATH", which you should be able to find from Amazon Resellers for about 6 quid, and worth every penny. The "judgement" scene goes on a bit, but otherwise it's a super yarn. It was funded by the Ministry Of Information at the time, because it was sensed there was anti-American feeling building after WW2 and they needed to show a Brit-American romance at the heart of a film. What Powell & Pressburger did with that brief - well, I'll say nothing more. The patriotism seeps from every sinew but it's in a good cause. The opening scene must be one of Niven's most famous... it was also unusual in that to bolster morale, little had been said (far less shown) of British fatalities in the war in the official media, so it was a highly sensitive subject.
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« Reply #129 on: 08:46:24, 26-11-2007 » |
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..I've not found any evidence of this previous publication regarding the temperament associated with Bach's 48, so unless the poster concerned can provide it, it is correct that you would be justified in expecting a polite retraction...
Well if he can find it, I hope he will point us to it, because I for one would very much like to read it. Baz |
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« Reply #130 on: 09:13:14, 26-11-2007 » |
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Re: six_events (Matthew Lee Knowles)
On the toilet, you are composing in your head...is that a performance? No it jolly well isn't.... exactly. please get back in your bubble, there is clearly no point in discussing anything with you that goes past using multipule brain cells or 1895. This is rude and insulting. the above is clearly ridiculous...i cant remember the last time i heard anyone use foul langauge on the bus, are you sure you arent shopping in a creche?
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« Reply #131 on: 09:23:29, 26-11-2007 » |
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Matthew, thanks for your considered and lengthy replies to our (very mixed) reactions! I do hope you're serious when you say you aren't put off your project by (some of) them. Best of luck with it.
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« Reply #132 on: 09:41:50, 26-11-2007 » |
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Baz: I can quite understand why an insensitive comment, though made in jest, might have tempted you to leave us yet again. I've not found any evidence of this previous publication regarding the temperament associated with Bach's 48, so unless the poster concerned can provide it, it is correct that you would be justified in expecting a polite retraction. It does appear that BazEna's temperamental views relating specifically to Bach's 48 have not been published. To that extent, and in that particular, I am happy to withdraw my comment. On my disdain for the ganging up by two sad old grumps to disparage the work of an enthusastic and adventurous young composer, I make no retraction whatever. Now, on this matter of multiple serial logins used by at least one participant here ... |
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« Reply #133 on: 09:47:26, 26-11-2007 » |
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Now, on this matter of multiple serial logins used by at least one participant here ...
Fortunately, I have never been guilty of this. I have only ever been registered as a member of this MB under a single name at a time. Who is the participant you have in mind? Baz |
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« Reply #134 on: 09:49:31, 26-11-2007 » |
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At this point, it's quite obvious that Matthew is no 'cut and run' merchant. Whatever individual members' feelings may be, the fact that Matthew has sat late into the night going through the thread and answering each post in turn certainly proves his enthusiasm and dedication. He is, as others have pointed out and he himself admitted, very young, and his knowledge of what others take for granted perhaps sketchy or nonexistent. But.... He lives (and has grown up) in a very different world to most of us: a world where the norm is to wish for fame by appearing on a reality TV show and being given everything on a plate, a world where consumer mass market music is often little more than a cut and paste job of other people's scraps assembled on a computer, and the dominant forms of entertainment seem to discourage the act of thought completely. Whilst the musical content of what will arise from this exercise is open to speculation, from the greater perspective of the Arts today his project does display aspects of concept, preparation and application, in effect asking his volunteers to become performers improvising within a tightly controlled situation, and think about what they are doing. It has been noted that as the night progressed and the reactions down the thread he was answering became more repetitve that his good humour and courtesy were stretched beyond breaking point, but given the situation, I hope most will understand, and at least excuse....on this occasion. Lastly, for Matthew (and others) http://www.heinergoebbels.com/ |
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