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I find the word boring extremely interesting.
I cant think of many things that are actually boring.
You ought to try shopping in tescos on a saturday morning then... or cleaning up after people... but I expect you don't have a family yet. A |
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« Reply #91 on: 01:14:46, 26-11-2007 » |
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It seems to me that boarding the bus, doing the thing in the supermarket etc. is only the first pahse of the project. And actually, if I were to do those things knowing it was potentially part of an artistic 'idea', they'd be far less boring than usual.
Perhaps Matthew will say something more about what he intends, or maybe it's important that participants not know at this stage?
But I agree with Reiner: the whole idea of performance art, radical music theatre, 'happenings' etc. is due for some fresh thinking.
I see what might be happening here, I should make it clear, there is no secret agenda here. With regards to the 'artistic idea' there is no more to the idea than the events, they exist by themselves, but inevitably they will live on in the minds of the perfomers who will be forced to think about them. would you agree that it is quite absurd for a person to do such a thing as I am telling them to and not question it in their own minds. I often hold back with answers and justifications of an artistic nature as I do not think it is always the right thing to do. people must do things for themselves and learn not be told. The best answers are in the person, but if there are no questions, there are no answers. There are issues I would like to raise at the end of the project, no secrets, just not relevant at this time. BTW, I have already started planning more six_events, concentrating on different areas of our lives. If all goes well I would like to do these projects at least once a year for as long as I can keep going. best Matthew |
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« Reply #92 on: 01:16:38, 26-11-2007 » |
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Oh! Hello Matthew. I know you (you lent me your floor back when I was over at the cutting edge thing). I'm totally in, anyway. Don't think I'll actively spam my friends about it, though.
And: Welcome!
thank you for the welcome! i lent you my floor? which concert? Jonathan Powell's! Jeeeze; and to think I thought I was your first... . (Anyway; great job drumming up a discussion here; I'm not sure if you've gotten yourself embroiled in many of this sort. I think you're handling yourself pretty well anyway ...). Please don't use so much space Matthew, it takes ages to scroll.
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« Reply #93 on: 01:24:13, 26-11-2007 » |
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Before I log off, can all those folks who have given such a warm welcome to Matthew explain why?
Being dim, but what does this has to do with music? Well Anna, it will sound like b*ll*ocks to some for sure  but note Matthew does say >These events are pieces of music...or art....<so it's not necessarily intended to be music. I've said my piece on here before about Cage and his noise, or lack of it, being art not music but as you can see there is some enthusiasm about the project here. It's something that maybe Radio 3 will take an interest in, and this place is the R3 (alternative) boards so let's wait for the the thing to happen and then laugh our b*ll*cks off, or applaud. I quite often compose stuff in my head when I'm washing up or sitting on the toilet but I never remember it after and it doesn't get written down  John W I am quite happy for my work to be considered as b*ll*ocks, i want to provoke varied reactions, if I don't, then people will stop thinking and then where will we be?! there seems to be much talk of considering "whether or not this project will work" confusing. I am currently dedicating my life to this project, the global interest is there, with performances in America, Japan, Australia, London, York, Southampton, ireland to name a few so far. i have already spoken to many people about this from around the world and they are definitely thinking and reconsidering what they think music is, what it could be and what it isnt. No one ever said music was perfect, it lives and breathes like us, makes mistakes and needs guidance and constant re-asessment. On the toilet, you are composing in your head...is that a performance? there is no correct answer of course....does a performance require audience? when does it become a performance..... I find it intriguing.... Sorry for going on, hopefully you will find something valuable in my writing. best Matthew |
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« Reply #94 on: 01:25:46, 26-11-2007 » |
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Well, on the date in question I will get on the bus Monday January 21st 2008 at 08.11 and get off at 08.20
How that is of interest to anyone is beyond me.
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« Reply #95 on: 01:27:34, 26-11-2007 » |
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Hi Matthew, good to see you found your way here. I didn't see you at the Sally Army tonight, (Vermilion: Fanfares, Songs and Other Things). You missed a delightful evening.  hi Bryn! thank you so much for pointing me here, it really is great! so many minds and thoughts flying about! Keep me posted on other events and if I am free I will definitely be there! Best matthew |
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« Reply #96 on: 01:35:43, 26-11-2007 » |
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...here are the actual events[/color]
Event one BUS Monday January 21st 2008
On the prescribed day you should board any bus, at any time.
The length of your journey should not be premeditated.
When you are ready, alight the bus.
You should record the times you boarded & alighted the bus.
Event two ROAD Tuesday January 22nd [/u]
On the prescribed day, walk down any road.
You should clap your hands together once, at any point.
You may walk at any pace, but must record the name of the road & the duration of how long you walked for.
It is at your discretion to how long you walk for (at the end of the road, you could turn around & walk back.)
Event three BUILDING Wednesday January 23rd
On the prescribed day you should enter any building.
Discover the building for a duration of up to one hour.
Sit down at least once & close your eyes.
You should record the time you entered & left the building.
Event four SUPERMARKET Thursday January 24th
On the prescribed day you should enter any supermarket.
Walk down every isle at your own pace.
On your way round you must pick up any item for less then £1
Go back to your original starting place, in the supermarket.
Before paying for your item you must move one other item in the store to another place, an incongruous position on another shelf.
Pay for your item & keep your receipt.
You may not own the bought item, it must be given away or thrown into a bin.
Event five PUB Friday January 25th
On the prescribed day you should enter any pub & ask one person any question you wish.
You should request a glass of water, you should not drink it.
Leave the pub.
You should record the time you entered & left the pub.
Event six PARK Sunday January 27th
On the prescribed day you should enter any park
Sit or stand on a green area for any length of time
You should look up to the sky at least once.
You should record the time you entered & left the park.
Hi Matthew - welcome. a) Are these events supposed to constitute a "solo performance" for each participant? If so, why must they be performed by each person on a specified date? b) If, alternatively, they are part of some kind of "ensemble", how are the individuals supposed to work together (other than telepathically believing that unspecified others might be doing similar activities somewhere else on the same date)? With regard to a), what is the purpose for each individual? Concerning b), what are the ground rules and the ensemble experience that participants should be expecting? Baz hi Baz, thank you for your welcome In my music I don't like to account for everything, i realise there are of course factors missing from the instructions. this is on purpose. I dont want to give people this on a plate, I want them to think, a performance for the body and the mind. if something isn't accounted for then it is free to the performers what they do. i would like to think that the thought of the possibility of others doing a similar thing at the same time in another part of the world, should not effect a persons performance. We must always be aware of as much as possible, but care very little the majority of the time. By leaving things so open and talking to people about this project like this, to my friends, to strangers on the street, to colleauges, pupils and your good selves on these discussion boards, I'd like to think that all perfomers will have a slightly different idea about six_events and what the real aim is.....in fact- there is no aim, or the aim is nothing. no rules please, we're composers. (!) It is impossible to tell a person what to expect. Best Matthew |
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« Reply #97 on: 01:39:04, 26-11-2007 » |
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Where's the music in all this? Are participants supposed to record the sounds made/heard during each event?  >>Where's the music in all this? where is the music? Its right there. >>Are participants supposed to record the sounds made/heard during each event? yes, performers are invited to document/capture their performances with photos/films/audio. |
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>>Are participants supposed to record the sounds made/heard during each event?
yes, performers are invited to document/capture their performances with photos/films/audio.
Hmm; so does this mean I should feel some obligation then? I thought that the 'invitation' was something I could happily disregard if I wished to without thinking I was missing out on the 'performance'. But you seem there to answer the 'are participants supposed to X' in the affirmative... |
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« Reply #99 on: 01:49:20, 26-11-2007 » |
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I can't see how any of this is music. When I did some support teaching in primary schools I did exactly this sort of exercise with infants. We sat in silence for a minute and jotted down (in picture form if they couldn't write) anything they heard during that time... with gaps as the time moved across the page - eg a chair scraping, a cough, a bird, people talking outside... then we made SOUNDS ( not really music) to make a sort of picture of the time passed. I can't see how you can say that YOU are composing something here Matthew, you are just sort of sitting somewhere and saying ... go and do things ... music?  ? John Paynter comes to mind in ' Sound and Silence' too, a very 'fashionable' book in education in the '60s.Sorry Matthew, welcome , but you have lost me here, I can't see any relevance whatsoever to your music degree or our musicianship... 'Emperor's New Clothes' also comes to mind. Come on chaps this can't be real? ? A  >>I can't see how you can say that YOU are composing something here Matthew, you are just sort of sitting somewhere and saying ... go and do things ... music? ? I composed the words, they took me about 5 weeks to get right, a lot of effort, often whole nights just working on them, as you would spend equal effort on writing the correct notes....in fact, they could jsut be any notes couldn't they? Of course they couldnt, if they were different notes, it wouldnt be your music, it wouldnt be your style. quite the same is true here as well. i do think, when replicating a section of my piece above (in particular "...go and do things..." you have sold me short in an extremely infantile way. the instructions are very precise, they are extremely specific and thougth about, every word is there for a reason. i have already explained on a previous reply why this could be considered music, so i wont repeat myself again. >>I can't see any relevance whatsoever to your music degree or our musicianship... this is very interesting....many words are being out into my mouth here, i am still questioning relevance..however I have the support of my music college so there must be some relevance. your musicianship is not relevant here. I do want to thank you for questioning me so much, i am extremely grateful for everyone speaking their mind, as I have previously said, I am not interested in doing something easy that provokes no reaction. it feels right for me to do this, I get excited by this, I see a future for me and this area. Best Matthew |
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« Reply #100 on: 01:51:23, 26-11-2007 » |
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For those of us who might be interested Matthew, where do we pick up our clipboard?
Baz
if one wishes to use a clipboard, there are many reliable stockists in shopping centres and establishments such as Rymans and WHSmith. I would of course urge you to record by writing on a scrap of paper or your mobile phone etc. Best Matthew |
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« Reply #101 on: 01:53:45, 26-11-2007 » |
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please give me time to reply to all these questions!! I am doing my best to work through them, im a very busy person, its not 1:53am and i willing to sacrifice sleep to answer you all! best Matthew |
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« Reply #102 on: 01:56:38, 26-11-2007 » |
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But the only problem is this: over there they still actually talk about this as MUSIC. They are, of course, much more "advanced" than us mortals over here. But all I can say is this: "Give me the notes to play, and I'll play them for you as best I can". Where are the NOTES Matthew? Baz  >>Where are the NOTES Matthew? There are many notes Baz, i dont like to give them out as easily as Mozart. best Matthew |
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« Reply #103 on: 01:59:42, 26-11-2007 » |
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I suspect Matthew is interested in a) a form of random data collected through real experience, and b) the impressions of participants of the artistic qualities of those (seemingly mundane) experiences. But of course I could be wrong. It's interesting, if familiar, as he's outlined it so far. I'm hoping he'll be back to tell us more.
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« Reply #104 on: 02:04:08, 26-11-2007 » |
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Or is it the Olympics Martle? Is a stop watch involved?
I never realised when timing the races at school sports days that I was actually composing!! WOW I am a composer too !!!! Hooray !!
I wonder why I spent all that time with pencil, rubber and manuscript paper.. this is so much easier!! - -
Everyone else does the research ( of something or other) then they send it to you and you get the credit by pretending that it is an actual musical composition.... cool!!
Please don't say we have to listen to it though... give me a 'real' composer anytime.
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>>I never realised when timing the races at school sports days that I was actually composing!! WOW I am a composer too !!!! Hooray !! did you do anything with these results? no. therefore, not a composer. is there actually a need to be so bitter here, I'm not hurting anyone, im sharing something with you all that I am interested in and very serious about. there are more responses to go through yet, i hope they will be more constructive and less bitchy! Im really a very nice person with good intentions and I willing to meet up for coffee with anyone on here and talk face to face. Best Matthew |
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