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May be it is not good to try to be too clever.
He was disappointment to me too. He was absolutely unknown to people like me in the Soviet Union.
All I know that he loved to collect butterflies, but if he called them You or you I don't know.
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« Reply #31 on: 17:18:45, 17-08-2008 » |
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I was never on Russian internet chat rooms, but I think I would use formal You, unless I know who I am speaking too. If he/she is 16 I would use small you.
I'm not interested in chatrooms in any language, but on Russian internet messageboards everyone uses "ty" (for example on klassika.ru, the main discussion area for classical music and opera). It's quite amusing to see people chatting as "ty" to people whose real-life identity they don't know... and would certainly use "Vy" if they did!  Actually you might like klassika.ru -tp - it's a well-moderated site, and the discussions are lively and interesting. It's slightly different to here - although these is some discussion of recent performances and compositions, there's more discussion about where to get hold of obscure sheet music, and ensembles advertising auditions for new players etc. Although the longest-running discussion for years was "место современного композитора - в помойке?"*, so perhaps there are broad similarities? At least no-one mentioned 4'33" though  Very good discussion, subsequently! Belova & Bronner to the fore - well worth reading the archives of it if you read Russian * "the place for living composers - in the dustbin?" |
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You are joking, Martin Amis with a butterfly net? What are you on?
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« Reply #33 on: 17:23:58, 17-08-2008 » |
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"место современного композитора - в помойке?" That sounds more like TOP to me. |
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« Reply #34 on: 17:31:38, 17-08-2008 » |
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You are joking, Martin Amis with a butterfly net? What are you on?
You obviously haven't read Amis' early novel Hullo clouds, hullo sky. |
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« Reply #35 on: 17:35:21, 17-08-2008 » |
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"место современного композитора - в помойке?" That sounds more like TOP to me. Where it would instantly be modded-out for being in the tongue of Johnny Foreigner  But yes, TOP are discussing that one right now... when they can tear themselves away from building a two-seater pyre for Charles Hazlewood and Roger Norrington, that is. Perhaps that what this year's Proms really lack - a concert of contemporary music conducted by Roger Norrington and introduced by CH? Nurse! The screens!! The screens!!! |
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« Reply #36 on: 17:44:04, 17-08-2008 » |
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I kind of lost my identity. I don't know who I am anymore.
I 've been Russian, I 've been american. I 've been sort of English and even a little bit Welsh (I took two years learning it).
I don't know who I am anymore.
I am Irish (sort of) now.
I have cultural differences with all of the above. I did not go through the period of Perestroika and after.
Russian language moved on without me while I tried to survive in the West.
My education is now absolete, I was away from music and musicians for too long. I am coming from backward country (sort of) who actually saw the future in some way (women started to be independent there before it came here, they were holding good jobs like doctors and engeneer jobs before women in the USA for sure).
In short, I am a disaster. Where is a Grumpy room now?
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« Reply #37 on: 17:49:56, 17-08-2008 » |
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a concert of contemporary music conducted by Roger Norrington and introduced by CH? Nurse! The screens!! The screens!!! Yes! A violin concerto by Birtwistle, with Nigel Kennedy as soloist. |
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« Reply #38 on: 18:23:21, 17-08-2008 » |
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And to complicate matters we have examples like the first scene of Wozzeck, where the Hauptmann speaks to Wozzeck using "Er" throughout.
Plus when Royalty had any sort of currency, one would use Ihr to speak to royal singulars. This, anyway, is how the translators of the Count of Monte Cristo went about it in German. |
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« Reply #39 on: 18:33:11, 17-08-2008 » |
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one would use Ihr to speak to royal singulars. But Du for God. |
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« Reply #40 on: 19:02:05, 17-08-2008 » |
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God is closer to us than any person. He knows us best.
Of course He is personal you.
Noone knows what God is. He doesn't have a body and He probably doesn't have brain. He has no ears. Yet He hears us, He understands us.
I was listening a lot to discussions about that lately. The concept is very difficult to grasp.
Yet ancient people in all countries believed that there is reincarnation, that we are here not for the first (and may be the last) time.
I don't feel that I was here before, but my Greek friend surprised me by saying that she knew her mother from before.
Her mother did not let her speak about that and tried to supress this kind of conversations when she was 5 or 6.
The same friend knows Greek mythology well. She told me that Greeks believed we all come this way many times.
Probably Egyptions believed they will not come back and tried to preserve their bodies.
This has nothing to do with our subject. Sorry.
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God is closer to us than any person. He knows us best.
Of course He is personal you.
Noone knows what God is. He doesn't have a body and He probably doesn't have brain. He has no ears.
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« Reply #42 on: 19:28:48, 17-08-2008 » |
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Does any other language have the equivalent of the royal/Grewsome 'we'?
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« Reply #44 on: 19:39:56, 17-08-2008 » |
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Aha. But that doesn't tell us much about other languages. (By the way, we are not yet a grandmother.)
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