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« Reply #30 on: 13:42:25, 07-08-2008 » |
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Will be giving Hazlewood a miss on Saturday, but iwll probably be at both Proms on Sunday (our survival technique being to take Wed-Thurs, plus the following Monday off work).
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« Reply #31 on: 09:24:04, 09-08-2008 » |
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Quite agree with you about CH. Although he seems to have calmed down about abit for the last year and this. So maybe there is hope!
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #32 on: 22:52:31, 09-08-2008 » |
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Over at TOP a certain contingent are, predictably, laying into Hazlewood and the general presenting style of this evening's Prom broadcast. So let me get this straight: they know it's Hazlewood, they know he's both conducting and presenting, they know they hate him, and yet they still tuned in? Did they do this just so they could legitimately moan about it? Have they forgotten that handy little thing called the off switch? I opted not to attend this evening's concert because of Hazlewood (the conducting's not unspeakably dreadful, it's the inane and frequently factually incorrect chat that I would rather do without) so why would I tune in to the concert on TV, where there's an even higher chat-to-music ratio? Instead, I have had rather a pleasant evening watching and listening to a backlog of recorded programmes.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #33 on: 01:55:11, 10-08-2008 » |
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So let me get this straight: they know it's Hazlewood, they know he's both conducting and presenting, they know they hate him, and yet they still tuned in?
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« Reply #34 on: 07:16:34, 10-08-2008 » |
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So let me get this straight: they know it's Hazlewood, they know he's both conducting and presenting, they know they hate him, and yet they still tuned in?
Thats was a great tv series Reiner!! The Muppet Show was one of those all time classic comedy shows, that can be watched for eons!! Agreed Ruth. Me and Mrs BBM did a similar thing to what you did, ie what we did was to watch one of the Poldark series that we are going though at the moment. MrsBBM is calling me Cap'n now!!!! I ask you. She says I am from that stock!!!
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« Reply #35 on: 12:21:03, 10-08-2008 » |
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Over at TOP a certain contingent are, predictably, laying into Hazlewood and the general presenting style of this evening's Prom broadcast.
So let me get this straight: they know it's Hazlewood, they know he's both conducting and presenting, they know they hate him, and yet they still tuned in? If I were of slightly more mischievous bent I might be tempted to write something like: so we've witnessed the sickening implosion of TOP over the past months evidenced in one appalling outburst of horribleness after another and yet we still visit? Good thing I'm not...
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« Reply #36 on: 13:13:30, 10-08-2008 » |
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I don't visit TOP any more. On the other hand, I don't see any reason in principle why people shouldn't continue to complain about a presenter they don't like, rather than simply turning off - certainly if they're licence-payers, they have a right to express their opinion, positive or negative, about the service they're receiving. If I was employed as a presenter by Radio 3 I wouldn't expect my listeners to have no say on what they thought of my work.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #37 on: 13:25:57, 10-08-2008 » |
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That's a fair enough point, 'tisnow, but many of the regular contributors have long since crossed the boundary between complaint and grudge or even personal attack: when thread after thread starts to resemble some sort of piranha feeding frenzy, it pulls the rest of the site down, discouraging posters who might perhaps have more constructive points to make from visiting, let alone posting.
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« Reply #38 on: 13:37:59, 10-08-2008 » |
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I agree with tinners, we are licence payers therefore we are entitled to have a say in what we have purchased.
But, as Ron points out, some of the threads/posts at TOP border on the libellous and some seem fuelled by pure hate (for want of a better word) and then there is the spectacle of posters attacking other posters, sometimes in a most vicious manner.
I go over there and I read, and particularly anything written by wilf and french frank (always the voice of reason!) and if he was still posting, smittims was a fount of knowledge, but in the main they seem to be bullies shouting their opinions from the soapbox.
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« Reply #39 on: 13:42:57, 10-08-2008 » |
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smittims was a fount of knowledge
Smittims has returned within the last few days! I agree, it's a sad spectacle much of the time over there. It's only reading the posts/ recommendations of mahlerei, wilf, parsifal1882 and co which make it worthwhile, plus the insights of people like Peter Katin. LeTombeauDeCooperman started an amusing thread on Platform 3 the other day which I'm surprised nobody else from these parts have responded to (yet....)!
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« Reply #40 on: 13:49:07, 10-08-2008 » |
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I've not visited TOP for a couple of weeks, IGI: it's become more and more dispiriting, and there's been no reason for a return. Such time as I've had has been spent here recently - most of it fairly busily, one way or the other.
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« Reply #41 on: 14:10:20, 10-08-2008 » |
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That's a fair enough point, 'tisnow, but many of the regular contributors have long since crossed the boundary between complaint and grudge or even personal attack: when thread after thread starts to resemble some sort of piranha feeding frenzy, it pulls the rest of the site down, discouraging posters who might perhaps have more constructive points to make from visiting, let alone posting.
Oh yes, I agree. I was just saying that the 'you can turn off if you don't like it' argument is not the one I'd go for myself in order to tell them all how silly they're being.
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« Reply #42 on: 15:50:02, 10-08-2008 » |
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I agree with tinners, we are licence payers therefore we are entitled to have a say in what we have purchased.
Although of course the licence fee does not cover radio, so R3 etc is free...
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« Reply #43 on: 16:20:07, 10-08-2008 » |
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I don't visit TOP any more. On the other hand, I don't see any reason in principle why people shouldn't continue to complain about a presenter they don't like, rather than simply turning off - certainly if they're licence-payers, they have a right to express their opinion, positive or negative, about the service they're receiving. If I was employed as a presenter by Radio 3 I wouldn't expect my listeners to have no say on what they thought of my work.
Quite, t_i_n. In principle complaining is not just valid but essential. I forget which maketing person it was who said that a complaint is a free gift - you have a real problem when people just go away without saying why. But the same complaint over and over again is not much use to anyone. By now it's clear that CH is not going to change despite the best efforts of people on TOP to draw attention to his shortcomings; so the only thing to do if you really can't stand him is to leave him to those who enjoy his performances. There are plenty of other Proms - it's not as if CH's idiosyncratic style is going to infect or pollute the entire festival the way the appalling presentation of YMotY destroyed that series as a media event.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #44 on: 22:15:12, 10-08-2008 » |
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Although of course the licence fee does not cover radio, so R3 etc is free...
I've said the same myself in the past, although one has to admit that it probably does cost some money to run BBC Radio, the BBCSO, the BBC Wobbly Warblers, etc... and that must be coming from the Licence Fee in the end However, it can't be very much, since my fees for appearances on R4 have been Excess Baggage - £22 for 30 in-studio mins and BBC R4 News - £19 (for covering a terrorism story at 5am when they couldn't find "their own correspondent"). It's amazing it's even worth writing out a cheque for such piffling and derisory amounts, really However, it was such fun chatting to Sandi Toksvig for half an hour I'd have done it for nowt anyhow (as they probably suspected...)
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