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Author Topic: At Least Ninety-Six Crackpot Interpretations  (Read 11251 times)
Sydney Grew
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« Reply #525 on: 09:17:07, 28-07-2008 »

We come now to G minor, and it is back to the serious business again. Member Brass-Band-Maestro will probably appreciate this Prelude, because it was a brass band that Bach had in mind when he wrote it. We shall send him a personal message in case he does not regularly follow this thread (Mr. Maestro that is, not Bach). We know he has arranged other works for band so we shall ask whether this one might be worth a try. (Rapid-share or send-space.) It would sound very well on the Pier would not it? But we should warn Members that these tones will lodge in the mind for days after each audition. We are especially fond of the tenor part at certain points, for example in bars ten and sixteen; the thing becomes entirely Elgarian with those massed euphoniums does not it. As for double dots, they are all very well in flighty France but they are simply out of place in a performance by Germans, or indeed by any manly and sober Englishman who does not hold with exaggeration. Single dots are amply sufficient for our purposes thank you very much!

We hesitate to offer a comparison because - although an organ might manage something! - no harpsichord clavichord or piano-forte performance of this work can possibly amount to very much. But let us at least sample Svyatozluff! What slow monotonous and wearisome stuff his interpretation is! We know Bach wrote Largo over the piece but he did not mean it to be quite as Largo as that! It sounds as though Svyatozluff has been told to concentrate on getting the double dots right to the exclusion of all else. (Svyatozluff's G minor Fugue though, to be presented to-morrow, is considerably better.)
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Baz
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« Reply #526 on: 10:30:54, 28-07-2008 »

We come now to G minor, and it is back to the serious business again. Member Brass-Band-Maestro will probably appreciate this Prelude, because it was a brass band that Bach had in mind when he wrote it. We shall send him a personal message in case he does not regularly follow this thread (Mr. Maestro that is, not Bach). We know he has arranged other works for band so we shall ask whether this one might be worth a try. (Rapid-share or send-space.) It would sound very well on the Pier would not it? But we should warn Members that these tones will lodge in the mind for days after each audition. We are especially fond of the tenor part at certain points, for example in bars ten and sixteen; the thing becomes entirely Elgarian with those massed euphoniums does not it. As for double dots, they are all very well in flighty France but they are simply out of place in a performance by Germans, or indeed by any manly and sober Englishman who does not hold with exaggeration. Single dots are amply sufficient for our purposes thank you very much!

We hesitate to offer a comparison because - although an organ might manage something! - no harpsichord clavichord or piano-forte performance of this work can possibly amount to very much. But let us at least sample Svyatozluff! What slow monotonous and wearisome stuff his interpretation is! We know Bach wrote Largo over the piece but he did not mean it to be quite as Largo as that! It sounds as though Svyatozluff has been told to concentrate on getting the double dots right to the exclusion of all else. (Svyatozluff's G minor Fugue though, to be presented to-morrow, is considerably better.)


But we urge the Member (with great respect) to "think again" about his vision of this movement! We are certain (for sure) that when Bach deliberately imitated the French style he wished for the French ambience to be clear and unhindered. (He did this on a number of occasions.) He was quite a cosmopolitan composer we believe, and understood well the "Italian style" (from his numerous transcriptions of concerti by Vivaldi, together with single movements from other Italians). He was also immersed thoroughly in the "French style", knowing well the pomposity of the dotted rhythms that characterised the French Overture. He must surely have studied (and played!) numerous works of the French clavecinists both for his education and enlightenment. This movement we believe is just another essay indicative of his interest in French music, but in which (as even in those consciously of Italian influence) he asserts the German love of harmony and counterpoint.

Since (as we assert) this Prelude is a simple morceau capturing the contemporary French liking for dotted rhythms, it seems obvious to us that the prevailing rhythm should indeed be allowed to be the prevailing rhythm. Whether or not one wishes (as we believe one should) to "double dot" the dotted-semiquaver/demisemiquaver combinations, one must (we assert) at least ensure that on those occasions when the dotted-quaver/semiquaver pattern coexists with them (as for example in bar 3, beat 4) the short notes should be made to coincide rhythmically! We say this not only out of deference to the actual style being imitated, but also because in Bach's autograph copy he indicated an actual vertical alignment of these notes (i.e. following respective dots, one voice bearing the semiquaver symbol was placed in vertical alignment with another note bearing the demisemiquaver figure). We feel, therefore, that this aspect should be adhered to and fully respected (even though we should still have felt the same had they not been so visually aligned!).

When the Member impishly writes:

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...no harpsichord clavichord or piano-forte performance of this work can possibly amount to very much.

...we are not regrettably in agreement (though we fully recognize that the Member is not being entirely serious!). So let us for the moment put our brass band aside and listen to a different rendition (and one that Bach would we think more easily recognise)...

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« Reply #527 on: 11:49:37, 28-07-2008 »

I was saying to Member Sydney Grew, that brass bands play JSB's music quite a lot. Its very well suited. People should hear what the top brass bands are doing these days. They will be suitably impressed. Take a look at what the Black Dyke Band and Grimethorpe colliery Bands are doing now.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #528 on: 15:08:13, 28-07-2008 »

. . . brass bands play JSB's music quite a lot. Its very well suited. . . .

We are very glad to hear that!

. . . let us for the moment put our brass band aside and listen to a different rendition (and one that Bach would we think more easily recognise)...

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Baz

That performance is certainly ten times better than Svyatozluff's! The speed is much faster, and there is a proper variety of expression and interest. Bravo again!

In regard to the brass band version, the idea of the rhythm came to our anonymous crackpot simply from things like this and this; and the idea of the brass band arose in his confused mind because trumpets are so effective in Bach's orchestra in passages of this kind: why not make the entire Prelude a matter of brass alone? was his vague conclusion.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #529 on: 15:11:40, 28-07-2008 »

Here is a very curious and supremely crackpot interpretation of Bach's famous Air. We do not know who the players are but presume them to be some sort of Continentals; Englishmen would never do something like this. The two repeated sections contain variations of some sort - after the rather pleasant and more or less faithful initial statements they are shocking to the listener and spoil the whole experience. Does any Member know who these people are? Is it not an utterly crackpot idea?
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Baz
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« Reply #530 on: 16:35:03, 28-07-2008 »

. . . brass bands play JSB's music quite a lot. Its very well suited. . . .

We are very glad to hear that!

. . . let us for the moment put our brass band aside and listen to a different rendition (and one that Bach would we think more easily recognise)...

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Baz

That performance is certainly ten times better than Svyatozluff's! The speed is much faster, and there is a proper variety of expression and interest. Bravo again!


We were very remiss and must apologise - we should have made it clear that the example we posted was played by Gustav (and nobody else!). Any credit due (however small) must be accorded only to him!

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« Reply #531 on: 16:37:28, 28-07-2008 »


...In regard to the brass band version, the idea of the rhythm came to our anonymous crackpot simply from things like this and this; and the idea of the brass band arose in his confused mind because trumpets are so effective in Bach's orchestra in passages of this kind: why not make the entire Prelude a matter of brass alone? was his vague conclusion.


...these examples are we think slightly different in that both present flowing semiquavers against which the dotted rhythms must be fitted. Anybody who tries such nonsense as "double-dotting" here would obviously be entirely dotty!

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« Reply #532 on: 16:45:45, 28-07-2008 »

Having what we may term a "free evening" to-night, we thought that we might entertain ourself by attempting a crackpot version of one of the '48 for the amusement and delight (inasmuch as it might be a delight, however small - if at all) of members.

We were wondering whether there might be any particular morceau (from the '48) for which any Member may crave a "dotty" (but extremely new and original) "version" that we might - should the caper be completed in time - post to-morrow for the delight,  engagement and possible outrage of Members.

If we do not hear any response before 6.00pm (London time) we shall simply do the one we want!

Baz

P.S. Complete "crackpottery" is here envisaged we feel.
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« Reply #533 on: 16:59:05, 28-07-2008 »

Here is a very curious and supremely crackpot interpretation of Bach's famous Air. We do not know who the players are but presume them to be some sort of Continentals; Englishmen would never do something like this. The two repeated sections contain variations of some sort - after the rather pleasant and more or less faithful initial statements they are shocking to the listener and spoil the whole experience. Does any Member know who these people are? Is it not an utterly crackpot idea?


With regard to the performers...



...we know "nerthing"!

Obviously being a "period group" they feel empowered to re-write Bach's notes "on the hoof". It is always challenging to play repeats, and then to decide what to do with them. But, with regard to the pecuniary value of written notes, we must declare here that these "experts" have now shown "the unacceptable face of capitalism".

The funny thing is this: we cannot for the life of us understand what was "wrong" with the notes Bach wrote in the first place.

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« Reply #534 on: 17:18:17, 28-07-2008 »

We were wondering whether there might be any particular morceau (from the '48) for which any Member may crave a "dotty" (but extremely new and original) "version" that we might - should the caper be completed in time - post to-morrow for the delight,  engagement and possible outrage of Members.

If we do not hear any response before 6.00pm (London time) we shall simply do the one we want!

Well, Mr Baz! We find it hard, nay impossible to resist that invitation. We would be intrigued to discover what you might make of the Eb major Fugue from Book 1, should the fancy take you, it being one of our personal favourites on account of its carefree sanguine and jaunty disposition. These aspects we trust will be borne in mind as you assemble your crackpottery.
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Baz
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« Reply #535 on: 17:22:14, 28-07-2008 »

We were wondering whether there might be any particular morceau (from the '48) for which any Member may crave a "dotty" (but extremely new and original) "version" that we might - should the caper be completed in time - post to-morrow for the delight,  engagement and possible outrage of Members.

If we do not hear any response before 6.00pm (London time) we shall simply do the one we want!

Well, Mr Baz! We find it hard, nay impossible to resist that invitation. We would be intrigued to discover what you might make of the Eb major Fugue from Book 1, should the fancy take you, it being one of our personal favourites on account of its carefree sanguine and jaunty disposition. These aspects we trust will be borne in mind as you assemble your crackpottery.

Mr Martle wins - and the challenge is now CLOSED! Bad luck for anyone who missed out - but rules we feel are rules!

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« Reply #536 on: 17:25:45, 28-07-2008 »

As one who has intermittantly followed this thread, though with nothing really substantial to contribute, I too would be interested in hearing Mr Baz's interpretation of the Eb fugue from Book 1. Now that it's the school holidays, and having followed Baz's advice and purchased Gustav's recordings of the 48 to go with the crackpot Berben recordings from the Bach Bumper Box, I intend to work my way through them, enjoying the commentaries from Members Iron and Grew.  Smiley

(I don't have that LB Enigma either, but that severely extended, perhaps even etiolated, reading of its emotional core should surely count amongst the more eccentric of interpretations: anyone willing to admit to possessing it?)

I have it, Mr Dough, and may well post it here soon!!

Aha...here it is: RapidShare
It's been a while since the Repertoire Test and I'd forgotten I had to convert the file to mp3 before uploading it...and RapidShare has changed a bit too.
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Baz
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« Reply #537 on: 08:53:56, 29-07-2008 »

We were wondering whether there might be any particular morceau (from the '48) for which any Member may crave a "dotty" (but extremely new and original) "version" that we might - should the caper be completed in time - post to-morrow for the delight,  engagement and possible outrage of Members.

If we do not hear any response before 6.00pm (London time) we shall simply do the one we want!

Well, Mr Baz! We find it hard, nay impossible to resist that invitation. We would be intrigued to discover what you might make of the Eb major Fugue from Book 1, should the fancy take you, it being one of our personal favourites on account of its carefree sanguine and jaunty disposition. These aspects we trust will be borne in mind as you assemble your crackpottery.

Mr Martle will be delighted to know that we had a "go" with the Eb Fugue last night, and the experience absorbed us for several interesting and creative hours! We decided - as will be clear - to "let it all hang out"!

Should it be felt that we have not been as successful as we should have been it is worth our while remembering that (like those famous injunctions that Luther nailed to the church door at Wittemburg!) there are still NINETY-FIVE remaining morceaux in the collection through which we can continue to hone and fine-tune our technique so as to improve it in the future!


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« Reply #538 on: 09:01:05, 29-07-2008 »


I have to say that is pretty cool Mr Baz. Many thanks for your interpretation... much enjoyed  Grin Grin

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« Reply #539 on: 09:01:37, 29-07-2008 »

As 'Lord Byron' would say... coooool!
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