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« Reply #285 on: 16:02:13, 17-09-2008 » |
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My *ahem* slightly-less-concise Oxford gives: bail, Now often less correctly BALE with both spellings dating from the 17th century. I think "often less correctly BALE" is wonderful pussy-footing around the thorny problem of a dictionary being prescriptive  |
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« Reply #286 on: 16:11:53, 17-09-2008 » |
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I would of thought that it was useful to keep a distinction between bailing out a failing bank and baling out of one. Different actions.
(I do hope it is like this at Armagedon by the way. "Shouldn't Armageddon have two 'd's?")
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« Reply #287 on: 16:14:37, 17-09-2008 » |
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My Oxford Dictionary gives Bail/Bale:
Bail out - throw water out of a boat and
Bale out - an airman making parachute descent from damaged aircraft
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« Reply #288 on: 16:16:52, 17-09-2008 » |
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bale and bail don't mean the same thing. bale, v2 .... 2. to bale out. [Usually so spelt, as if the action were that of letting a bundle through a trapdoor; but also (esp. U.S.) as bail, as if a use of BAIL v.4, to lade out.] intr. (Of an airman) to make an emergency descent by parachute from his machine. Hence also (rare) n. bail-out. orig. U.S.
and bale, v3. To lade or throw water out of a boat or ship with buckets (formerly called bails) or other vessels. Const. to bale the water out, bale the boat (out). to bale up: to scoop up. See BAIL v.4 This belongs in the Pedantry thread. |
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« Reply #289 on: 16:30:45, 17-09-2008 » |
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I would of thought that it was useful...
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« Reply #290 on: 16:40:12, 17-09-2008 » |
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Had the guys at the Fed who've probably ruefully agreed the (hopeful) rescue package for AIG been reading the last few posts in this thread they'd probably be wishing that they'd kept matters more simple (not to mention saved the US taxpayer $85bn over the next two years) by letting the beleaguered company go to the wall after all...
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« Reply #291 on: 16:45:01, 17-09-2008 » |
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I would of thought that it was useful...
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« Reply #292 on: 17:23:08, 17-09-2008 » |
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I would of thought that it was useful to keep a distinction between bailing out a failing bank and baling out of one. Different actions.
(I do hope it is like this at Armagedon by the way. "Shouldn't Armageddon have two 'd's?")
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« Reply #293 on: 17:25:38, 17-09-2008 » |
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« Reply #294 on: 17:26:59, 17-09-2008 » |
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Ladies, ladies! Do read the previous posts before lashing out.
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« Reply #295 on: 17:37:12, 17-09-2008 » |
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Oooh and we all fell into that trap!  |
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« Reply #296 on: 17:38:52, 17-09-2008 » |
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Bail/Bale is (are) interesting words in having many meanings.
There is bail (security for prisoner pending trial), the outer walls of a castle (cf bailey), in cricket the doofer on the stumps, a half hoop for supporting waggon tilt, the handle of a kettle (Australian), a frame holding a cow's head during milking, a bar separating horses in a stable.
Bale is misery (baleful look), a contained parcel (bale of hay) hence leading to baler twine which hold up us bucolics' smocks.
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #297 on: 17:45:30, 17-09-2008 » |
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Ladies, ladies! Do read the previous posts before lashing out.
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« Reply #298 on: 18:04:43, 17-09-2008 » |
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Bail/Bale is (are) interesting words in having many meanings.
There is bail (security for prisoner pending trial), the outer walls of a castle (cf bailey), in cricket the doofer on the stumps, a half hoop for supporting waggon tilt, the handle of a kettle (Australian), a frame holding a cow's head during milking, a bar separating horses in a stable.
Bale is misery (baleful look), a contained parcel (bale of hay) hence leading to baler twine which hold up us bucolics' smocks.
Don't forget bale out - as in get all the water out of the bottom of the boat. |
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« Reply #299 on: 18:13:38, 17-09-2008 » |
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Bail/Bale is (are) interesting words in having many meanings.
There is bail (security for prisoner pending trial), the outer walls of a castle (cf bailey), in cricket the doofer on the stumps, a half hoop for supporting waggon tilt, the handle of a kettle (Australian), a frame holding a cow's head during milking, a bar separating horses in a stable.
Bale is misery (baleful look), a contained parcel (bale of hay) hence leading to baler twine which hold up us bucolics' smocks.
Don't forget bale out - as in get all the water out of the bottom of the boat. If I'm not mistaken, that's pretty much where we came in, Milly. It's good, however, to see someone else intuitively spells it that way. I love IRF's 'often less correctly'; both for the reason he gives - it's deliciously non-committal for what's supposed to be an authoritative publication - and because the 'often' suggests that I'm not alone in routinely using that spelling. When used metaphorically I think bale has the useful advantage of conveying the fact that you're using the image of a sinking ship rather than a prisoner. |
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