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Author Topic: how the other half crunches  (Read 5589 times)
oliver sudden
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« Reply #270 on: 11:21:17, 17-09-2008 »

Privatise the profit, nationalise the risk...  Sad
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« Reply #271 on: 11:22:24, 17-09-2008 »

rescued,in the hope that the shares can be sold off later, when things pick up, this is just like the 30s but instead of building damns etc, they are trying to shore up the banks
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« Reply #272 on: 11:23:11, 17-09-2008 »

building damns etc
Couldn't have put it better myself!  Cheesy
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« Reply #273 on: 11:31:43, 17-09-2008 »



takes longer to build, easier to print money init - bank of england

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« Reply #274 on: 11:45:54, 17-09-2008 »



Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I would have put my buildings at the TOP of the dam  Grin

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« Reply #275 on: 12:22:35, 17-09-2008 »

They are putting off the inevitable, banks will call in loans, assets will go to auction,prices will fall and then speculators will say 'cor, bargain' and prices will stabilise or rise.
That kind of thing has happened before and it may yet happen again with increasing frequency before the sheer vacuity of the whole lot becomes apparent to all.

China and eastern europe can produce at a much lower cost base when their employees do not have expensive housing costs, what did people expect to happen ?

We live in a global economy.
We do indeed, but one of the consequences of that fact is that many banks are international and, as such internationally exposed to the vagaries of different countries' economies. China and Eastern Europe are thus far from immune to what is happening elswewhere. The AIG bale-out promise is all very well, but the US Fed does not have unlimited funds with which to continue indefinitely to make such promises whenever it receives pleas to do so - and the bale-out has to work, otherwise the egg on the Fed faces will be expensive indeed and the consequences at least as severe as would have been the case had they let it go to the wall as they did Lehman Bros.
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« Reply #276 on: 13:44:13, 17-09-2008 »



Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I would have put my buildings at the TOP of the dam  Grin



To be boringly practical - then there'd be no head of water to drive the turbines with.
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« Reply #277 on: 13:45:51, 17-09-2008 »

Oh yes...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #278 on: 13:59:58, 17-09-2008 »

China and Eastern Europe are thus far from immune to what is happening elswewhere. The AIG bale-out promise is all very well, but the US Fed does not have unlimited funds ...

I can't remember where I heard it, but one commentator posited the intriguing scenario of an institution like Lehman's being bought lock, stock & barrel by one of the sovereign wealth funds.  It occurs to me that one reason the US state felt it had no choice but to bale out AIG, seemingly against all the principles of free market capitalism, could be that those same principles would, in theory, allow, say, the Chinese state - reportedly swimming in liquidity - to step in where the US demurred.  The ramifications of this hardly need spelling out.  I hear from the friend I mentioned above  that there are already concerns in in the City of London about the influence of the SWFs - female employees feeling they were obliged to dress 'modestly', for example.  And concern that SWFs could be used for purposes more akin to colonisation than investment is not new.
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« Reply #279 on: 14:12:36, 17-09-2008 »



Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I would have put my buildings at the TOP of the dam  Grin


To be boringly practical - then there'd be no head of water to drive the turbines with.

Now you're just being solenoid.
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« Reply #280 on: 15:11:20, 17-09-2008 »

You may find these links of interest...

http://www.philosophynow.org/

http://www.rbphilo.com/

We are grateful to Lord Byron for his useful indicators.
If Mr Grew likes that sort of thing, we suggest he stay well clear of this sort of thing. Richard, however, as the intended recipient of the original recommendation, might like to do the converse.

On a boringly pedantic note, might contributors to this thread be willing to bear in mind the difference between 'bale out' and 'bail out'? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #281 on: 15:32:08, 17-09-2008 »

On a boringly pedantic note, might contributors to this thread be willing to bear in mind the difference between 'bale out' and 'bail out'? Roll Eyes

I'd have thought both were appropriate t-i-n.  Both spellings are allowed in my Concise Oxford for the meaning I intended - the action taken to keep a leaking vessel afloat.  Another possible metaphor - to provide a surety for the release of a prisoner - is always bail but that isn't what I had in mind.
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« Reply #282 on: 15:41:14, 17-09-2008 »

I stand corrected. My Collins also gives both spellings. I don't recall ever seeing the 'bale' option before!
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« Reply #283 on: 15:54:16, 17-09-2008 »

I stand corrected. My Collins also gives both spellings. I don't recall ever seeing the 'bale' option before!

I was quite surprised, t_i_n, because I'd always thought bale was the usual spelling for that word; but it's given second in my dictionary. So I've learnt something.
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« Reply #284 on: 15:58:53, 17-09-2008 »

I don't recall ever seeing the 'bale' option before!

Neither do I. I was also about to "correct" HtoHe.
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