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Question: Which is your favourite Sullivan opera?
The Sorcerer
HMS Pinafore
The Pirates of Penzance
Patience
Iolanthe
Princess Ida
The Mikado
Ruddigore
The Yeomen of the Guard
The Gondoliers
Utopia Ltd
The Grand Duke
Ivanhoe
Another not listed

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Tony Watson
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« Reply #210 on: 13:27:32, 14-04-2008 »

That lecture sounds interesting and I wish I could go.

The lecturer, Robin Wilson, who is professor of mathematics, is the son of former prime minister Harold Wilson, who was also a G&S enthusiast. I've got a book by him which is a photographic record of the old D'Oyly Carte company.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #211 on: 20:55:21, 15-04-2008 »

There was a programme about Iolanthe on Radio 4 today (Tales from the Stave). I've tried to catch it on Listen Again but I just a programme about Handel's Messiah instead, for some reason.
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« Reply #212 on: 21:20:37, 15-04-2008 »

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a programme about Handel's Messiah instead,

They are broadly the same, Tony, except no-one in the audience stands-up at the big chorus of "With Stre-phon as your foe, no doubt a Fear-ful prospect opens out..".   Well, at least they don't stand up usually.   There are a lot of angels in both.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #213 on: 21:34:31, 15-04-2008 »

Well, Sullivan can be quite Handelian at times, as in All Hail Great Judge from Trial by Jury and This Helmet I Suppose from Princess Ida.
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« Reply #214 on: 20:16:00, 19-04-2008 »

I caught the end of this programme about Iolanthe on Radio 4 this afternoon. I haven't seen anyone mention it here so if you're interested it should be on LA: Yes it is - I'm listening to it.

15:30
Music Feature
Tales from the Stave: Iolanthe

Frances Fyfield tracks down the stories behind the scores of well-known pieces of music.

Frances is joined by Kit Hesketh-Harvey, opera singer Richard Suart and Gilbert and Sullivan biographer Michael Ainger to look at the manuscript of the celebrated operetta. The score and prompt book offer a vivid insight into a composer at the height of his theatrical powers and a satirist with a clear vision of the way the work should be delivered.

Edit: Interesting programme. I've never been in or seen a whole performance - I must look out for it. At a young age I became familiar with When you're lying awake as my dad sang it. I also loved him singing When the night wind howls.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #215 on: 23:04:21, 19-04-2008 »

Thanks for that, MJ, although if you look at reply 211...

At least the Listen Again link is working properly now and I've just finished listening. It's a very well done programme - a nice mixture of scholarly background, performance anecdotes and critical insight - informative and easy to listen to. I commend it to anyone, including those who are not much convinced by this sort of musical work.

The programme is based on an examination of the manuscript score to Iolanthe. If anyone wants to see a G&S original, Sullivan's score for Patience is usually on show in the British Museum.

I was fortunate enough to play Strephon in an amateur production once. The overture to Iolanthe is one of the best in the canon, I think.
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« Reply #216 on: 00:47:27, 20-04-2008 »

Thanks for that, MJ, although if you look at reply 211...
Roll Eyes And I looked! I must've just checked on the previous page - sorry! The programme could have filled an hour couldn't it, with longer musical excerpts and more readings. Radio at its best.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #217 on: 01:08:19, 20-04-2008 »

Thanks for that, MJ, although if you look at reply 211...
Roll Eyes And I looked! I must've just checked on the previous page - sorry! The programme could have filled an hour couldn't it, with longer musical excerpts and more readings. Radio at its best.

I agree - an hour would not have been too long. And I'd always wondered about that cadenza for Phyllis in the act one finale. I'm surprised Sullivan didn't write one out.

If the manuscript score for Iolanthe is worth a quarter of a million, that of Utopia Ltd must be worth perhaps a little less but something approaching it. The point is that that score has been missing since the first world war when it was auctioned for charity. Someone has probably got it tucked away somewhere without realizing its value as I think it's the only one left in private hands, assuming it's survived, and I would have thought that it would have come up for auction again by now. There are a few original scores in the Pierrepoint Library in the USA.
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« Reply #218 on: 01:13:54, 20-04-2008 »

And I'd always wondered about that cadenza for Phyllis in the act one finale. I'm surprised Sullivan didn't write one out.
I don't think the cadenza at the end of Poor Wand'ring One was written out in my score - I had fun making one up!
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« Reply #219 on: 13:09:46, 20-04-2008 »

Just to comment that Tony and Mabel's little exchange have pushed this thread up to second-most posted on the Opera House board.

I have heard interesting technical details of Mabel's cadenza in P of P.
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« Reply #220 on: 16:29:59, 20-04-2008 »

And I'd always wondered about that cadenza for Phyllis in the act one finale. I'm surprised Sullivan didn't write one out.
I don't think the cadenza at the end of Poor Wand'ring One was written out in my score - I had fun making one up!

Cadenzas are written out in the vocal score for Mabel on her first appearance, just before her song, and halfway through the song, after a few "ahs", but not just before the end, where it simply says "cadenza ad lib". There's no indication of a cadenza for Phyllis in the vocal score. Some recordings have one but not others.
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« Reply #221 on: 20:30:00, 20-04-2008 »

Just to comment that Tony and Mabel's little exchange have pushed this thread up to second-most posted on the Opera House board.
Cheesy Thanks for that Don B! Kiss

just before the end, where it simply says "cadenza ad lib".
Wish I could post you a clip of mine! It's copied onto a CD now so in theory.... no, sorry,I don't have the technical expertise.
"I would if I could but I am not able." Cheesy
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« Reply #222 on: 23:11:19, 21-04-2008 »

I've never been in or seen a whole performance - I must look out for it.
Ooer what a coincidence - I've just had an email from someone who sends details of local amateur orchestral/chamber music concerts coming up and it includes this:

 

Manchester Universities Gilbert and Sullivan Society (MUGSS)

 

Iolanthe (1960’s version)

 

Date:                30 April to 3rd May. Evening performances are at 7.30pm

Saturday matinee performance at 2.30pm.

 

Venue:             Bruntwood Theatre in the RNCM (Royal Northern College of Music )

 

Tickets:            From £5 to £12,  available from the RNCM box office on 0161 907 5555 or www.mugss.org

 

“A story of love, politics and misunderstandings, Iolanthe is one of the most well-known of Gilbert and Sullivan's operettas with gorgeous music and enchanting characters. MUGSS transports this production nearly one hundred years later into 1960s Britain , keeping all the vibrancy of the show as we visually update it for a modern audience. The bright flower fairies and bumbling archaic peers representing the spirit of change will enthral, and the witty dialogue is as funny and relevant as it was when first produced.

 

We transport Iolanthe into 1960s Britain by visually updating it for a modern audience whilst keeping all the vibrancy of the show. The bright flower themed fairies and the bumbling archaic peers will continue to entertain as well as representing the spirit of the 1960s. The show will retain its host of wonderfully comic characters, and the satirical dialogue which has always made it such a success.”
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« Reply #223 on: 23:23:34, 21-04-2008 »

Manchester Universities Gilbert and Sullivan Society (MUGSS)

That reminds me of the Birmingham University Music Society (BUMS) but which is now, for some reason Wink, called the University Music Society (UMS)
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« Reply #224 on: 23:42:16, 21-04-2008 »

Two of my friends sang umpteen seasons in the World Of Gilbert + Sullivan company, whose acronym is now politically incorrect...
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