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Question: Which is your favourite Sullivan opera?
The Sorcerer
HMS Pinafore
The Pirates of Penzance
Patience
Iolanthe
Princess Ida
The Mikado
Ruddigore
The Yeomen of the Guard
The Gondoliers
Utopia Ltd
The Grand Duke
Ivanhoe
Another not listed

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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #180 on: 16:01:48, 29-02-2008 »
Yes, happy... errr... 38th birthday to Frederic! Cheesy
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #181 on: 17:39:49, 29-02-2008 »
A recent article on G&S from the Independent which some of you might find interesting:

Article
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« Reply #182 on: 22:24:11, 29-02-2008 »
I'm afraid that I'm going to have to declare the poll invalid, folks: WNO performed Yeomen there, with Richard Suart as Jack Point in (so far as I can see) 1995; so the deed has already been done.

http://www.richardsuart.co.uk/rs_biog.html
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« Reply #183 on: 23:33:27, 29-02-2008 »
Quote from: Don Basilio on 15:55:39, 29-02-2008
In case we miss Frederic's birthday, it has already been noted on the boards:

http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=2689.msg95825#new
Quote from: Ruth Elleson on 16:01:48, 29-02-2008
Yes, happy... errr... 38th birthday to Frederic! Cheesy

Sorry, I've only just read these post here - having just wished Frederic a Happy Birthday on the Birthday thread!  Embarrassed

Oh well, he'll be happy we haven't forgotten him!
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #184 on: 11:57:42, 01-03-2008 »
Quote from: Ron Dough on 22:24:11, 29-02-2008
I'm afraid that I'm going to have to declare the poll invalid, folks: WNO performed Yeomen there, with Richard Suart as Jack Point in (so far as I can see) 1995; so the deed has already been done.

That's not with your moderator's hat on I take it, Ron D. I've changed the wording slightly to accommodate this. Also, hardly anyone has voted anyway, presumably because they don't want to Sullivan to appear at the ROH at all, so I changed the wording to reflect that too.
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« Reply #185 on: 16:59:40, 01-03-2008 »
Thank you, Tony.  Sorry my first suggestion was Not a Very Good Idea.
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« Reply #186 on: 22:02:35, 08-03-2008 »
Quote from: Ron Dough on 23:00:06, 07-03-2008
having been subjected to an evening of G&S anoraks at Buxton (and they think train-spotters are strange?), not to mention having worked with a couple of Wagner-obsessed weirdoes in my time

I'm sure we would all sympathize with Member Dough, and assure him we are not like that, really.  All funny fellows, comic men and clowns of private life, they've none of 'em been missed, they've none of 'em been missed.
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« Reply #187 on: 00:04:21, 09-03-2008 »
According the Poll, G&S operas are becoming less and less popular with every passing day?

Even previously-expressed support for them has died-off faster than that for Mr Mitt Romney.

 Huh
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« Reply #188 on: 09:31:36, 09-03-2008 »
I'm surprised there weren't more votes cast too. I realize that a number of people who post here aren't interested in G&S and I appreciate that they've left us alone. Perhaps I should have worded the question something like: "Which opera do you think is not quite so bad as the others?" Go on, vote! It's only a bit of fun.

On breakfast TV (BBC1) yesterday, they mentioned an up-coming piece about Thespis, their first opera for which most of the music has been lost. Unfortunately I had to go out and so missed it. I tried the BBC website but it wasn't there, although it might be today. Did anyone else see it?
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #189 on: 23:11:23, 09-03-2008 »
I haven't voted, despite the active role I have played in this thread Undecided

How do I choose between them?

Yeomen - favourite as an "operatic" piece.  I haven't seen Ivanhoe (though I know one aria and one chorus) or Haddon Hall, or any of Sullivan's non-comic stage works.  So Yeomen has it.  Plus I have a very soft spot for it as it was the one that sparked my interest in opera when I was 12 (I should add that I had seen other G&S by that point, so it wasn't just a matter of Yeomen having been in the right place at the right time).

My musical favourite is either Iolanthe or Ruddigore, but I don't know which.

My favourite on the basis of wit alone is Patience.

Sorcerer contains many of my favourite numbers, as well as many of my favourite parodies.

It is much easier to name my least favourite: Pinafore is repetitive, samey, and doesn't have enough for the women to do Angry  I would certainly feel differently if I were a principal soprano: Josephine is absolutely my favourite G&S heroine, on vocal criteria alone.  However Elsie Maynard is my favourite G&S heroine dramatically.  I think The Grand Duke would be my least favourite if I hadn't performed in it, which has given me a soft spot for it.

I have seen Utopia Ltd all of once, but it contains two of my absolute favourite G&S numbers: "Eagle, high in cloudland soaring" and "A tenor, all singers above".  The fact that my one experience of it was in a brilliant production - which won "Best in Festival" at the inaugural G&S Festival in Buxton - is probably instrumental in my affection for it.

Best all-rounder - Pirates, I think...

Sorry, I'm still no clearer than before!
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« Reply #190 on: 12:01:41, 10-03-2008 »
I have an instinct that Pinafore is over-rated, but that may be a result of hearing gems from it on my father's 78s at the age of 6 and so I might feel it was a bit infantile.
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« Reply #191 on: 16:36:42, 11-03-2008 »
Did you omit The Mikado from your rundown, Ruth because you feel it is too well known, or because you think that it is over-rated?

Or whatever?
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« Reply #192 on: 16:48:56, 11-03-2008 »
I missed out Trial by Jury, Princess Ida, The Gondoliers and The Sorcerer, too... it wasn't intended to be an exhaustive list.

I suppose none of the above are in the class of "vying for the top spot".  The problem with Mikado, for me, is probably a personal one.  It was the first one I ever saw (aged 10), and the one I have seen most frequently since.  And I've been in it twice.  I suppose the fact that I know every word of it means I know exactly where all the jokes are, and the fact that I know every note of it (including most of the harmony parts!) means that if I am watching a performance, I find it near-impossible to listen to it objectively because my brain is permanently "tuned in" to the alto chorus line or Pitti-Sing's part.

Bear in mind that in my extreme youth I used to be one of those scary G&S-nuts who doesn't listen to any other music at all and thinks that the decrees of the Old D'Oyly Carte are gospel.  I left that phase when I was 17, and I think I recovered pretty well Cheesy  For a while afterwards, I could appreciate The Mikado "fresh" again - especially as I got more of the jokes, and certainly more of the innuendo, as an adult than I had done as a 10-year-old.

But now it's once again slipped down my list due to general overkill over the course of my lifetime.
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« Reply #193 on: 19:48:27, 17-03-2008 »
I got a pleasant surprise when driving to work this morning and I put on the Breakfast show. It was something I hadn’t heard for about 35 years and which I had always wondered what it was. It was a souped up version of the energetic dance from The Grand Duke. I had initially assumed it was from Pineapple Poll but I soon learnt better. So it turns out it’s from Savoy Dances by Stanford Robinson. The arrangements might not be to everyone's taste but at least he borrows freely from The Grand Duke and Utopia Limited and so puts tunes before the public that aren't heard very often.

I'd first heard it during a series of programmes that used to be on the BBC World Service, hosted by Peter Pratt, around 1973.

Of course, it's available on Listen Again. What are you waiting for?
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« Reply #194 on: 14:31:00, 23-03-2008 »
I am putting the Philips Yeoman of the Guard on my ipod.

The first CD came up with:

Album: The Yeoman of the Guard
Composer: Gilbert and Sullivan
Genre: Soundtrack !!!!

Second CD

Album: G & S -The Yeoman of the Guard
Composer: Gilbert and Sullivan
Genre: Classical

I tidied up changed the composer to Sullivan, Arthur and the genre to Opera and submitted the info to Gracewing, as instructed by IGI.
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