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« Reply #75 on: 16:53:49, 10-10-2008 » |
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those of us who are unhappy that this whole sorry episode can't just be put down to experience and forgotten
I think part of the problem is that I (and maybe there are others like me?) am not sure what the 'whole sorry episode' is! To forgive something, it needs to be in the past, and needs to have been acknowledged by the wrong-doer. At the moment I'm not clear who is supposed to have done something wrong, and whether there is general consensus about what it was.  Then what exactly is it that you're unhappy about?  Surely you only have to read through the threads over the last few days to suss it out? |
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« Reply #76 on: 16:56:51, 10-10-2008 » |
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I've never forgotten a comment you made during the difficulties that led to the setting-up of the Music&Society board, when you commented that you "couldn't imagine why it could be so important to anyone to talk about the relationship between music and politics". This reaction had everything to do with the enormous amount of political postings by a certain ex(?)member of this message board. I remember very well how during the summer of 2007 the largest amount of topics on this message board was political. I was simply amazed that for some people this subject was so important. I didn't see it as a problem, I was only amazed about it. I thought Stanley was trying to introduce a light-hearted note into a tense discussion, which was not a bad thing to do, but your response seemed to suggest that the discussion about the way the messageboard was run was not worth having. No, I didn't want to suggest that. I didn't say anything about the discussion, I said something about the thread. It was started by a certain ex-member of this message board for only one purpose: attention. The ex-member could have asked his question perfectly in a private message to the Moderation Team. Unfortunately the thread transformed into a "tense discussion" that would have been better at home in another thread and on another board: it's now in the "welcome" section. Not a very pleasant thing, in my opinion. |
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« Reply #78 on: 17:09:40, 10-10-2008 » |
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Unfortunately the thread transformed into a "tense discussion" that would have been better at home in another thread and on another board: it's now in the "welcome" section. Not a very pleasant thing, in my opinion. Agreed. Unfortunately my many pleas for cessation seem to have fallen on deaf ears. We've had the lot! Personality clashes, resignations from the board, apologies, suggested polls for re-election of mods......you name it. The mods here have done a wonderful job in the past few weeks with constant hard work trying to hold back spammers, trying to mediate between personality clashes and lots of rather childish ill-feeling. What's their reward? Told that perhaps it's time for a new election! They've had little thanks and sometimes they have to mediate between emotional minefields. One of the mods is away a lot and so a lot has had to fall on just two. Nobody's perfect and they can only do their best. Instead they're castigated by some. They have my full support FWIW. |
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« Reply #79 on: 17:22:41, 10-10-2008 » |
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I've never forgotten a comment you made during the difficulties that led to the setting-up of the Music&Society board, when you commented that you "couldn't imagine why it could be so important to anyone to talk about the relationship between music and politics". This reaction had everything to do with the enormous amount of political postings by a certain ex(?)member of this message board. I remember very well how during the summer of 2007 the largest amount of topics on this message board was political. I was simply amazed that for some people this subject was so important. I didn't see it as a problem, I was only amazed about it. In that case I understand, and while I don't agree with you I can see how you might have felt. Apologies if I had done you an injustice. I thought Stanley was trying to introduce a light-hearted note into a tense discussion, which was not a bad thing to do, but your response seemed to suggest that the discussion about the way the messageboard was run was not worth having. No, I didn't want to suggest that. I didn't say anything about the discussion, I said something about the thread. It was started by a certain ex-member of this message board for only one purpose: attention. The ex-member could have asked his question perfectly in a private message to the Moderation Team. OK. Again, I understand, although personally I'm very grateful that it's come to the attention of the membership that there is an admin policy of not responding immediately to requests for account deletion - a policy which I can understand was well-intentioned but with which I strongly disagree, and which I think is certainly indefensible unless it was decided on in advance by a majority poll of members. |
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« Reply #80 on: 17:28:20, 10-10-2008 » |
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Surely you only have to read through the threads over the last few days to suss it out?
No - that's what's puzzling me, I was aware of a situation with t-p because she sent me a PM about it but as far as I can see it's not been discussed on any thread except this one (to which it seems irrelevant). I think it's a bit dangerous to say we should all forgive and forget before we're all completely sure we know what we're forgiving and forgetting. It's highly unfair on those who haven't been made aware of the situation because they happen to be on private-messaging terms with other members. Please note I'm not saying that everything has to be dragged out into the open: just that you can't go round telling people to forgive when they don't even know what they're supposed to be forgiving, or whom. Agreed. Unfortunately my many pleas for cessation seem to have fallen on deaf ears. We've had the lot! Personality clashes, resignations from the board, apologies, suggested polls for re-election of mods......
I haven't seen these suggested re-election polls (unless you mean DonB's passing comment, which no one else seems to have responded to). You seem to be assuming that a call for democratic transparency and accountability is the same as a criticism, though. I'll be very happy if Barack Obama becomes the next President of the USA, but that doesn't mean I think it would be right of him not to call another election 4 years later. |
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« Reply #81 on: 17:36:44, 10-10-2008 » |
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I'll be very happy if Barack Obama becomes the next President of the USA, but that doesn't mean I think it would be right of him not to call another election 4 years later.
It wouldn't be his job to call one, tinners, earlier or later. It'll be early November 2012, come what may. That's the USA way! BTW, it was Richard who suggested the possibility of a Mods election, up-thread somewhere. For what it's worth, on this particular issue, I think 2 years is better than 1. |
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« Reply #82 on: 17:39:54, 10-10-2008 » |
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Surely you only have to read through the threads over the last few days to suss it out?
No - that's what's puzzling me, I was aware of a situation with t-p because she sent me a PM about it but as far as I can see it's not been discussed on any thread except this one (to which it seems irrelevant). I think it's a bit dangerous to say we should all forgive and forget before we're all completely sure we know what we're forgiving and forgetting. It's highly unfair on those who haven't been made aware of the situation because they happen to be on private-messaging terms with other members. Please note I'm not saying that everything has to be dragged out into the open: just that you can't go round telling people to forgive when they don't even know what they're supposed to be forgiving, or whom. Agreed. Unfortunately my many pleas for cessation seem to have fallen on deaf ears. We've had the lot! Personality clashes, resignations from the board, apologies, suggested polls for re-election of mods......
I haven't seen these suggested re-election polls (unless you mean DonB's passing comment, which no one else seems to have responded to). You seem to be assuming that a call for democratic transparency and accountability is the same as a criticism, though. I'll be very happy if Barack Obama becomes the next President of the USA, but that doesn't mean I think it would be right of him not to call another election 4 years later. Ok. I know nothing about personal messages and quarrels on there. I do, however, know all about the constant feuding on the boards and that is what I'm obviously talking about. t-p, and A have had a running battle for a while now. I understand that this has escalated behind the scenes because enough people have mentioned it. What I'm saying to forgive and forget is the bit that everyone has seen, knows about and is totally sick to death of. As Mary so rightly said, this is a message board! I'm as incredulous as she is. Clear? Right next point. Re-election. Both Richard and Don have mentioned this. Richard first put it forward as a possibility. You can hardly equate it to the American General Election for god's sake. Give me a break!! You can nitpick all you like with what I've said. You know the score. You are determined to keep fuelling this is as well it would seem. That's your prerogative. |
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« Reply #83 on: 17:43:24, 10-10-2008 » |
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Just a quick note to advise that I have modified Reply 7 in this thread to reflect later information made available to me.
Wasn't it John Wayne who advised, "Never apologize"?
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« Reply #84 on: 17:43:41, 10-10-2008 » |
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It wouldn't be his job to call one, tinners, earlier or later. It'll be early November 2012, come what may. That's the USA way!
I know! Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest otherwise ... It was just the closest comparison I could think of (of someone elected to a position where I might think they were a good choice, but still think going up for re-election is an important thing). Edit: Hope this answers Milly's point too. I wasn't comparing it to the American elections in terms of world-wide significance - but I think the comparison stands in the sense I intended it. I think it's highly unfair of you to suggest that all I'm doing is 'determined to keep fuelling this'. |
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« Reply #85 on: 17:48:52, 10-10-2008 » |
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I think it's highly unfair of you to suggest that all I'm doing is 'determined to keep fuelling this'.
I'm sorry but I can't see any other reason for your posts. |
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« Reply #86 on: 18:38:06, 10-10-2008 » |
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t-p, and A have had a running battle for a while now. I understand that this has escalated behind the scenes because enough people have mentioned it. Your remarks to Tinners are very school ma'amish Milly, but just for the records I have not been in contact with t-p 'behind the scenes' so I have no idea how our problems can have 'escalated behind the scenes.' A |
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« Reply #87 on: 18:46:40, 10-10-2008 » |
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« Reply #88 on: 19:05:00, 10-10-2008 » |
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« Reply #89 on: 19:07:38, 10-10-2008 » |
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