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« Reply #60 on: 14:14:52, 10-10-2008 » |
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# 54 Hi, Ted. Instead of sending Jenkins (aka Davies) down to Sidcup, why don't we divert him to this forum instead? Or has he, like Godot, already been and gone? I watched my off-air of "The Caretaker" (1963) again, the other day, and it is now scarier and funnier than ever. More a case of repositioning his fist in the palm of his other hand, rather than using his fingers!   "He'll set a cock-a-hoop; he'll be the one." |
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« Reply #61 on: 14:30:02, 10-10-2008 » |
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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« Reply #64 on: 15:00:50, 10-10-2008 » |
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Many thanks, Stanley. I'm glad that this thread is going somewhere (at last!). You can be so supercilious at times, Pim. It's very easy to sit back, flaunt your literary and artistic tastes, and pretend there are no issues of personality, posting behaviour etc. that need to be discussed by the Moderators and by those among us who visit this messageboard regularly and would like to have some say in how it is run. |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #66 on: 15:54:49, 10-10-2008 » |
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What a strange place this has become! Is it because of the economic crisis?
First the thing with Ian and Ollie, then Tony Watson and Sydney Grew suddenly gone? And Baz too? t-p perhaps offended, Ms. A certainly feeling put through the wringer... Is there anyone here who isn't somehow damaged or ticked off besides me?
The board is poorer without these three membership-revokers, and they have only themselves to blame for it. How can anyone get so heated up about message board life? I would like them all to come back and no harm done, Schwamm drüber, let's go get a pint and get on with our life.
God knows I've had my own share of purely attention-getting posts (maybe this one is not to be excluded!) and I could have very well used the refreshing tonic of a rap on the knuckles.
I'm in absolute agreement with this. My own involvement with this thread (and these issues) stems for a disbelieving WTF?!! kind of response to hypertension on these boards at the moment. Since I joined, I've trawled through just about every single thread since the boards' inception, and while there seem to have been semi-regular, high-profile spats, there doesn't seem to have been anything quite resembling the rather strange atmosphere at the moment. |
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« Reply #67 on: 16:11:58, 10-10-2008 » |
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You can be so supercilious at times, Pim. It's very easy to sit back, flaunt your literary and artistic tastes, and pretend there are no issues of personality, posting behaviour etc. that need to be discussed by the Moderators and by those among us who visit this messageboard regularly and would like to have some say in how it is run. I sincerely hope the above is not an adequate description of my behaviour on this message board.  |
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #68 on: 16:21:06, 10-10-2008 » |
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It certainly is a very strange atmosphere!  I'm usually very good at smoothing things over and bringing people together, in fact it is my particular forte in the real world, but some people want none of it I'm afraid. You can only make the peace if everyone wants to do so. Some are just so deeply entrenched in this whole situation that they are refusing to let it go and won't consider anything conciliatory at all. They're hanging on like a pack of Jack Russells, to the death. Unfortunately unless everyone lets go, there will be no going back from this one. There will certainly be no winners and there will be many losers amongst those of us who are unhappy that this whole sorry episode can't just be put down to experience and forgotten. There seems to be no forgiveness in any direction I'm afraid. So sad.  One last appeal to common sense? Let's all be friends, please. |
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« Reply #69 on: 16:22:45, 10-10-2008 » |
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I don't have anything to forgive.
I've said what I think is relevant and useful above.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #70 on: 16:26:53, 10-10-2008 » |
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You can be so supercilious at times, Pim. It's very easy to sit back, flaunt your literary and artistic tastes, and pretend there are no issues of personality, posting behaviour etc. that need to be discussed by the Moderators and by those among us who visit this messageboard regularly and would like to have some say in how it is run. I sincerely hope the above is not an adequate description of my behaviour on this message board. Maybe not, although I've never forgotten a comment you made during the difficulties that led to the setting-up of the Music&Society board, when you commented that you "couldn't imagine why it could be so important to anyone to talk about the relationship between music and politics". Your reply to Stanley above seemed to be saying something similar, although maybe I misunderstood it (in which case I'd be grateful to know what it really meant!). I thought Stanley was trying to introduce a light-hearted note into a tense discussion, which was not a bad thing to do, but your response seemed to suggest that the discussion about the way the messageboard was run was not worth having. Even if you don't want to take part in such a discussion yourself, I think you need to respect that there are others to whom the subject is important. Re 'forgiving and forgetting', I don't quite understand what Milly's trying to say. That it doesn't matter what goes on on the board, we should all just pretend we're happy even when we're not? It's very easy for those who are less affected by a situation to accuse others of dragging out a discussion unnecessarily, but I'm not happy at the moment, and I know I'm not the only one. |
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« Reply #71 on: 16:43:24, 10-10-2008 » |
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those of us who are unhappy that this whole sorry episode can't just be put down to experience and forgotten
I think part of the problem is that I (and maybe there are others like me?) am not sure what the 'whole sorry episode' is! To forgive something, it needs to be in the past, and needs to have been acknowledged by the wrong-doer. At the moment I'm not clear who is supposed to have done something wrong, and whether there is general consensus about what it was.  |
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« Reply #72 on: 16:46:49, 10-10-2008 » |
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Good on you, tinners, I support that wholeheartedly. I understand people being unhappy, or wanting to quit the place for personal reasons, or due to perceived censorship; but unhappy enough to quit the place over a little offhand comment? This is alien to me. Baz and Tony Watson have left for reasons I do not understand. I don't think this reflects badly on us as a community, or does it? Edit: just saw Milly's last message. You don't understand what happened yet you'd like to move on and put things aside? Hm.  Edit again: it was tin's message, not milly's, which makes the above edit nonsensical. |
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Milly Jones
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« Reply #73 on: 16:49:07, 10-10-2008 » |
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Re 'forgiving and forgetting', I don't quite understand what Milly's trying to say. That it doesn't matter what goes on on the board, we should all just pretend we're happy even when we're not? It's very easy for those who are less affected by a situation to accuse others of dragging out a discussion unnecessarily, but I'm not happy at the moment, and I know I'm not the only one. With the greatest of respect, I don't see what you personally have got to be unduly unhappy about. Why should you be more affected by the situation than I am? I've been just as unhappy about it as anyone else on here but I'm prepared to try and smooth it all over and hold out the olive branch to everyone. Why shouldn't you? Of course we shouldn't pretend to be happy when we're not - but this is getting ridiculous! People have resigned from the board by cancelling their membership, and for what? To what end? However, as I said before, unless everyone is prepared to drop it and just carry on, then I'm afraid it's going to be very unpleasant for the forseeable future. |
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« Reply #74 on: 16:51:13, 10-10-2008 » |
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Edit: just saw Milly's last message. You don't understand what happened yet you'd like to move on and put things aside? Hm. No! I DO understand what's happened. I just don't understand this ridiculous, blown-out, persistent reaction. Yes, I DO want to move on and put it all aside. I don't see another way out at all. |
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