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I'm aware that there is a large volume of behind-the-scenes PM traffic on these Boards, so I wouldn't presume to know the full story, here, but in t-p's case particularly it appears that a number of members have taken their personal dislike of her posting style and extrapolated a belief that she is somehow either not who she says she is, or shouldn't be welcome on these boards. trained-pianist has never been anything but exceptionally nice and polite to everybody here, and unless there's something huge that I'm missing, the sentiment against her seems out of all proportion to its stimulus. I'm willing to concede, though, that the situation may be far more complicated than I think it is.
Similarly, the antipathy towards Sydneys Grew is something that I don't necessarily understand. The subjection of a number of social assumptions to a degree of interrogative ridicule seems, to me, a rather valuable thing to do.
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« Reply #31 on: 00:20:51, 10-10-2008 » |
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« Reply #32 on: 00:30:54, 10-10-2008 » |
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I'd just like to offer my support to the Mods with what has turned out to be an incredibly difficult job in a very sensitive situation. It's a shame that the board has become divided as a result of the last few days. I think the Mods are doing a fantastic job anyway.
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« Reply #33 on: 00:32:35, 10-10-2008 » |
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I'd just like to offer my support to the Mods with what has turned out to be an incredibly difficult job in a very sensitive situation. It's a shame that the board has become divided as a result of the last few days. I think the Mods are doing a fantastic job anyway.
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« Reply #35 on: 08:12:23, 10-10-2008 » |
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I had exactly the same problem as Sydney Grew (message 1) in trying to get my account deleted so I'm asking the moderators one last time if they would please comply with my wishes.
Support for the moderators doing what must be a difficult job at times is all very well but they must take their responsibilities seriously too. No one forces them to take on the role. It was through ham-fisted moderating that I determined to leave in the first place when, after simply expressing regret at the absence of another member, I was accused of causing others to consider leaving because of my "quixotic crusades".
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« Reply #36 on: 08:14:37, 10-10-2008 » |
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I'm aware that there is a large volume of behind-the-scenes PM traffic on these Boards, so I wouldn't presume to know the full story, here, but in t-p's case particularly it appears that a number of members have taken their personal dislike of her posting style and extrapolated a belief that she is somehow either not who she says she is, or shouldn't be welcome on these boards. trained-pianist has never been anything but exceptionally nice and polite to everybody here, and unless there's something huge that I'm missing, the sentiment against her seems out of all proportion to its stimulus. I'm willing to concede, though, that the situation may be far more complicated than I think it is.
Similarly, the antipathy towards Sydneys Grew is something that I don't necessarily understand. The subjection of a number of social assumptions to a degree of interrogative ridicule seems, to me, a rather valuable thing to do.
Robert, both of the people you mention have seriously got on my nerves, although (see my previous post) not really in a way which could be considered an infringement of the board rules, so one just has to put up with it to some extent. I don't think it's appropriate to mythologise SG as some kind of unveiler of the emperor's new clothes - for example his habitual reference to Americans as being unsophisticated louts could hardly be said to serve that purpose (imagine someone from the USA visiting the boards and wondering whether to join coming across some of his insulting asides). Trained-pianist's transparently attention- and sympathy-seeking behaviour, and the fact that her command of English and the coherence of what she says varies according to how put-upon she wants to look, is another example. It should be possible to respond to these things without being accused of victimisation, and it should be the responsibility of the posters concerned to think about whether they wish to be seen as members of the community or flies in the ointment. I myself am not the most patient or tolerant or self-effacing of people and I expect to be told when I overstep the mark. Accepting criticism is difficult but we all have to do it some time. There shouldn't be any a priori exceptions. Sorry for the lecture. When I come back later on I'll post something about music.  |
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« Reply #37 on: 08:47:45, 10-10-2008 » |
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I never suggested that there should be a priori exceptions, but the result of a given set of criticisms is largely going to depend on the personalities involved. That said, it seems that the criticism directed towards her is not aimed at constructively altering her posting habits to everybody's benefit, but rather towards alienating her to the point that she stops altogether, and I'm sure you would agree that this is hardly the way a mutually supportive community (online or otherwise) is supposed to work. There are other posters who also make frequent 'attention-seeking' posts, without having the sheer total volume of posts of t-p to make it quite so apparent, and nobody seems to take issue with them. Indeed, why should they? To my mind 'seriously [getting on ones'] nerves' just isn't sufficient reason to expect somebody to be moderated. But maybe there's more to this. I'm happy to agree to disagree about the harmlessness of Sydney Grew. But it seems perverse to me to be overly concerned about some hypothetical 'potential' membership. Surely the most important thing is the healthy functioning of the current membership (including those that may get on our nerves). That healthy membership is certainly the most attractive thing to prospective members, and is why I joined in the first place. I'm sure that's true of basically everybody who joins. No need to apologise for the lecture. I love lectures.  |
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« Reply #38 on: 09:05:24, 10-10-2008 » |
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What a strange place this has become! Is it because of the economic crisis?
First the thing with Ian and Ollie, then Tony Watson and Sydney Grew suddenly gone? And Baz too? t-p perhaps offended, Ms. A certainly feeling put through the wringer... Is there anyone here who isn't somehow damaged or ticked off besides me?
The board is poorer without these three membership-revokers, and they have only themselves to blame for it. How can anyone get so heated up about message board life? I would like them all to come back and no harm done, Schwamm drüber, let's go get a pint and get on with our life.
God knows I've had my own share of purely attention-getting posts (maybe this one is not to be excluded!) and I could have very well used the refreshing tonic of a rap on the knuckles.
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« Reply #39 on: 09:32:33, 10-10-2008 » |
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There's a place for us, Somewhere a place for us. Peace and quiet and open air Wait for us Somewhere. There's a time for us, Some day a time for us, Time together with time to spare, Time to look, time to care, Someday! Somewhere. We'll find a new way of living, We'll find a way of forgiving Somewhere. There's a place for us, A time and place for us. Hold my hand and we're half way there. Hold my hand and I'll take you there Somehow, Someday, Somewhere. Hmmmm?  |
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« Reply #40 on: 09:34:14, 10-10-2008 » |
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What a strange place this has become! Is it because of the economic crisis?
First the thing with Ian and Ollie, then Tony Watson and Sydney Grew suddenly gone? And Baz too? t-p perhaps offended, Ms. A certainly feeling put through the wringer... Is there anyone here who isn't somehow damaged or ticked off besides me?
The board is poorer without these three membership-revokers, and they have only themselves to blame for it. How can anyone get so heated up about message board life? I would like them all to come back and no harm done, Schwamm drüber, let's go get a pint and get on with our life.
God knows I've had my own share of purely attention-getting posts (maybe this one is not to be excluded!) and I could have very well used the refreshing tonic of a rap on the knuckles.
I'm with you all the way on this. We're all human beings and we all get on each other's nerves at times. However, I think it is such a shame that two posters have been allowed to divide the board in this way and cause so much trouble. They've poisoned the atmosphere for quite a while. I'm also with Richard and his opinion in every respect. Total agreement. I personally don't know about all this "trouble" and "pm-ing" behind the scenes. I have certainly never p-md t-p about anything at all or vice versa. Nor would there be any point at all in ever doing so. "A" and I have talked occasionally but have managed to keep everything civil. Life is too short and perhaps we ought now to try to pour oil over troubled waters? Message boards are not so important that a minority of posters can be allowed to decimate some of the friendships surely? Perhaps we should all start afresh and draw a line over the past. As you say, have a pint and get on with our lives? Please? |
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« Reply #42 on: 10:18:00, 10-10-2008 » |
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Trained-pianist's transparently attention- and sympathy-seeking behaviour, and the fact that her command of English and the coherence of what she says varies according to how put-upon she wants to look, is another example. You can call me hopelessly naive if you like, but isn't it possible that if someone typing in a second language feels upset, down or tired, they might not think as carefully as usual about what they're typing? Some days I'm better at mental arithmetic than others, and when I'm tired my typing is worse. When I'm tired or down I might want more sympathy. Chicken or egg? You decide. (apologies for Big Brother reference...  ) |
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« Reply #43 on: 10:20:54, 10-10-2008 » |
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« Reply #44 on: 10:22:39, 10-10-2008 » |
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Trained-pianist's transparently attention- and sympathy-seeking behaviour, and the fact that her command of English and the coherence of what she says varies according to how put-upon she wants to look, is another example. You can call me hopelessly naive if you like, but isn't it possible that if someone typing in a second language feels upset, down or tired, they might not think as carefully as usual about what they're typing? Some days I'm better at mental arithmetic than others, and when I'm tired my typing is worse. When I'm tired or down I might want more sympathy. Chicken or egg? You decide. (apologies for Big Brother reference... ) As Richard says, "Whatever". Can't we just let it drop now? The more we keep raking it up the longer it will go on. Perhaps this thread could be finalised by the mods? Let's begin anew!  |
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