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« Reply #4260 on: 16:36:09, 01-04-2008 »
Organum?  Huh  Huh
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« Reply #4261 on: 17:20:42, 01-04-2008 »
I am not very well up on progressive music, or avant garde music. I prefer to call it the former as opposed to the latter. I thought these composers will intrugue you. Hopefully this will be a more challenging one than my last one!

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« Reply #4262 on: 18:13:43, 01-04-2008 »
Quote from: perfect wagnerite on 16:36:09, 01-04-2008
Organum?  Huh  Huh

One organum, two...
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« Reply #4263 on: 14:40:13, 03-04-2008 »
Quote from: harmonyharmony on 15:59:17, 01-04-2008
Cornelius Cardew
Nikolaus Decius
Léonin
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Ok, let's try and solve this one:

Stockhausen - In the Sky I Am Walking (American Indian Songs)
Cardew - Four Principles on Ireland
Léonin - Polyphony
Decius - Allein Gott in der Höh sei Ehr

The connection? No idea!
 
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« Reply #4264 on: 14:46:53, 03-04-2008 »
Quote from: brassbandmaestro on 17:20:42, 01-04-2008
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Derek Bourgeois
Carl Davis
Andre Previn


Are we seeking a link between four musical works or is it another aspect of their lives, bbm?
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« Reply #4265 on: 14:53:35, 03-04-2008 »
Quote from: Il Grande Inquisitor on 14:40:13, 03-04-2008
Quote from: harmonyharmony on 15:59:17, 01-04-2008
Cornelius Cardew
Nikolaus Decius
Léonin
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Ok, let's try and solve this one:

Stockhausen - In the Sky I Am Walking (American Indian Songs)
Cardew - Four Principles on Ireland
Léonin - Polyphony
Decius - Allein Gott in der Höh sei Ehr

The connection? No idea!
 


I can only find two hymns by Decius - Allein Gott in der Höh sei Ehr and O Mensch, bewein (the one used in the St Matthew Passion).  The link to polyphony and the Notre Dame school completely eludes me, I'm afraid!
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« Reply #4266 on: 15:06:02, 03-04-2008 »
I'm sure you must be on to something with organum, PW. There don't seem to be any works with 'organum' or 'organa' in their titles but is it that the later composers consciously used some of the Leonin-type organa techniques in their music?   

Is there some link with David Jackman, he of 'Organum' and prior to that it Cardew's Scratch Orchestra?  Huh 
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« Reply #4267 on: 15:14:40, 03-04-2008 »
Quote from: Il Grande Inquisitor on 14:46:53, 03-04-2008
Quote from: brassbandmaestro on 17:20:42, 01-04-2008
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Are we seeking a link between four musical works or is it another aspect of their lives, bbm?
Four musical works is the link IGI.
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« Reply #4268 on: 17:09:28, 03-04-2008 »
Quote from: Il Grande Inquisitor on 14:40:13, 03-04-2008
Stockhausen - In the Sky I Am Walking (American Indian Songs)
Cardew - Four Principles on Ireland
Léonin - Polyphony
Decius - Allein Gott in der Höh sei Ehr

The connection? No idea!

The Stockhausen is correct, the Leonin I was looking for is the term 'organa'. The other two aren't right.

Quote from: perfect wagnerite on 14:53:35, 03-04-2008
I can only find two hymns by Decius - Allein Gott in der Höh sei Ehr and O Mensch, bewein (the one used in the St Matthew Passion).  The link to polyphony and the Notre Dame school completely eludes me, I'm afraid!

It's not either of those. I think that it's the other surviving hymn by Decius that I'm looking for. It's a setting of the Sanctus from the mass (the specific title I'm looking for is in Old German).

Quote from: George Garnett on 15:06:02, 03-04-2008
I'm sure you must be on to something with organum, PW. There don't seem to be any works with 'organum' or 'organa' in their titles but is it that the later composers consciously used some of the Leonin-type organa techniques in their music?   

Is there some link with David Jackman, he of 'Organum' and prior to that it Cardew's Scratch Orchestra?  Huh 

That's not the link I'm afraid. It's rather more cryptic than that...
But I think when you find the Decius it should be easier.
You're looking for a link akin to the last one that I posted.
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« Reply #4269 on: 17:24:43, 03-04-2008 »
Stockhausen - In the Sky I Am Walking (American Indian Songs)
Cardew -
Léonin - Organa
Decius - O Lamm Gott­es un­schul­dig?
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« Reply #4270 on: 18:08:27, 03-04-2008 »
Quote from: Il Grande Inquisitor on 17:24:43, 03-04-2008
Decius - O Lamm Gott­es un­schul­dig?

That's from the Agnus Dei IGI.

Incidentally, one who walks in the sky could be called a...?
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« Reply #4271 on: 18:30:59, 03-04-2008 »
Decius - Ach Herr, Lass Dein Lieb’ Engelein
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« Reply #4272 on: 08:39:25, 04-04-2008 »
Quote from: harmonyharmony on 18:08:27, 03-04-2008
Incidentally, one who walks in the sky could be called a...?

Plummeter? Vlado Plummeter? Sky Masterson? Luke Skywalker?

I've a sinking feeling it is something to do with Star Wars Cheesy. Isn't Princess thingy, the one with the built in Sennheisers, called Organa or it's one of her names? But if so there is the greater mystery of why IGI happened to light on that particular Stockhausen piece apparently at random. Truly His Eminence moves in mysterious ways.
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« Reply #4273 on: 09:40:45, 04-04-2008 »
Quote from: George Garnett on 08:39:25, 04-04-2008
I've a sinking feeling it is something to do with Star Wars Cheesy.

Oh oh. Decius - Hyllich ys Godt de vader  Shocked
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« Reply #4274 on: 09:44:41, 04-04-2008 »
George Garnett, its Princess Leia, your talking about!!
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