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You see that's the big difference between men and women - men just want the actual thrill. With women it's much more complicated both before, during and after.
Should I dismiss this out-of-hand as an instance of unsubstantiable cliterocentrism? (don't actually like yokies very much...also disappointed with lions since they changed the recipe  ). |
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You see that's the big difference between men and women - men just want the actual thrill. With women it's much more complicated both before, during and after.
Should I dismiss this out-of-hand as an instance of unsubstantiable cliterocentrism? Only if you first accept that such a phenomenon is yet another heavily gendered construct explored in the work of certain practitioners of the (now-not-so-)new femmunist musicliterocentricology... Best, Alistair |
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Something I read about the difference between men and women in the Times rings more true the more I think about it. With men, it's the end result that matters, whereas with women it's more about how you get there.
But back to smoking. I go to the pub about twice a week and last night was one of those occasions. I still haven't got over the novelty of a smoke free environment and no ash trays so I had a particularly nice time. Then, walking home, I bumped into someone I knew who was making up for not having been able to smoke in his own pub of choice. I tried to get away as soon as I could but he insisted in lecturing me about how unfair the ban was, puffing away on his fag all the time. Evening spoilt and clothes smelling of cigarette smoke the next morning, just like the old days.
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« Reply #288 on: 14:23:43, 18-07-2007 » |
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Actually it was my girlfriend, a great lover of chocolate, who said that women who think that chocolate is better than sex have obviously never had an orgasm.
I understand that there's brain mapping which largely supports what Milly's saying, but please don't underestimate and patronise us men! I'm actually beginning to wonder if I am a man... Maybe I'm wired up wrong... Should I see a doctor?
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Something I read about the difference between men and women in the Times rings more true the more I think about it. With men, it's the end result that matters, whereas with women it's more about how you get there.
I'm not sure if I believe that at all myself. Taking the more literal interpretation, my mother used to take GREAT delight in loading me down with baggage whenever we travelled anywhere together. This tended rather to sour my holidays. Now I take *great* pleasure in travelling (where I can) without a single bag at all; to be able to just walk straight out of an airport with at most a shoulder bag is one of the few pleasures I feel I am really deserving of in this world. Here's a question: is there a conjectured difference in the way that women and men enjoy cigarettes? (hmm...there seems to be true of cocaine anyway...see here) I understand that there's brain mapping which largely supports what Milly's saying
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This conversation is a bit alien to me  Chocolate is quite nice sometimes. Sex is one of most intense combinations of pleasure and human communication on offer. Sometimes. Milly, I don't know which men you gathered your data from, but some men are rather keen on all the other stuff surrounding the, um, big moment. Anyway, you're not bothered if a Yorkie doesn't phone you afterwards.
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This conversation is a bit alien to me Chocolate is quite nice sometimes. Sex is one of most intense combinations of pleasure and human communication on offer. Sometimes. Milly, I don't know which men you gathered your data from, but some men are rather keen on all the other stuff surrounding the, um, big moment. Anyway, you're not bothered if a Yorkie doesn't phone you afterwards.
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« Reply #293 on: 15:37:18, 18-07-2007 » |
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Actually it was my girlfriend, a great lover of chocolate, who said that women who think that chocolate is better than sex have obviously never had an orgasm.
I understand that there's brain mapping which largely supports what Milly's saying, but please don't underestimate and patronise us men! I'm actually beginning to wonder if I am a man... Maybe I'm wired up wrong... Should I see a doctor?
Don't fret h-h. I've only posted all this in jest anyway. I don't believe any of it for one minute. It's a subject that's been very well-documented by people who have nothing better to do - or shares in chocolate manufacturing - or no lives! It's been great fun though seeing the different reactions! Off to 5-a-side football competition now....(must remember to buy a mars bar....  ) |
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« Reply #294 on: 16:55:53, 18-07-2007 » |
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there seems to be true of cocaine anyway...see hereWhat does it say, incre? Potted summary please! I can't log in to the article ... I don't really get all this men liking the end result thing, but maybe it applies to straight men??? |
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« Reply #295 on: 17:46:00, 18-07-2007 » |
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there seems to be true of cocaine anyway...see hereWhat does it say, incre? Potted summary please! I can't log in to the article ... Oh, sorry! Here's a salient paragraph: "Compared with men, women are said to experience more nervousness after intranasal administration of cocaine, take longer to feel the subjective effects of cocaine, report less euphoria and dysphoria, have more severe drug use at greater amounts, and have stronger craving in response to cocaine-associated cues (Kosten et al., 1996). Thus, it has been hypothesized that cocaine's effects on the central nervous system are sex-dependent and that women may be more susceptible to cocaine addiction than are men." I don't really get all this men liking the end result thing, but maybe it applies to straight men???
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« Reply #296 on: 17:46:40, 18-07-2007 » |
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the release of seratonin apparently gives you the same contented, fulfilled, happy feelings that you would experience post-orgasm. You see that's the big difference between men and women - men just want the actual thrill. With women it's much more complicated both before, during and after. Nothing compares with an actual orgasm but there's much more to making love than that.
Wherever did you get that idea from? You've not by chance been reading a surfeit of that New Improved Musicology, have you? Best, Alistair |
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"Compared with men, women are said to experience more nervousness after intranasal administration of cocaine, take longer to feel the subjective effects of cocaine, report less euphoria and dysphoria, have more severe drug use at greater amounts, and have stronger craving in response to cocaine-associated cues (Kosten et al., 1996). Thus, it has been hypothesized that cocaine's effects on the central nervous system are sex-dependent and that women may be more susceptible to cocaine addiction than are men."
OK, so at last we have a scientifically proven gender issue here; I would only ask that anyone still wondering what conceivable musicological connection it may have need only read Susan McClarification's analysis of Cole Porter's song I Get a Kick out of You with its especial reference to cocaine. Best, Alistair |
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Something I read about the difference between men and women in the Times rings more true the more I think about it. With men, it's the end result that matters, whereas with women it's more about how you get there.
I wonder how that logic works with deciding how to have a sex change Tommo |
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Something I read about the difference between men and women in the Times rings more true the more I think about it. With men, it's the end result that matters, whereas with women it's more about how you get there.
I wonder how that logic works with deciding how to have a sex change Tommo Might it not first be worth trying to figure out whether deciding how (or even whether) to have a sex change might itself involve logic?... Best, Alistair |
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